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I think Mahomes would not have as good of numbers as he does now, and Fields would be better, for sure. I am just saying there are very few cases where a player is either really bad or really good on one team, then goes to another team and is the complete opposite, just because of the coaching and other players. It does happen, but it is the outlier. If you look around the league, having the Offensive Guru as the HC makes the most sense, because you don't have to worry about losing him every season to another team if he was just the OC. The HC can be the play caller and have a named OC that is more of an Asst. Head Coach. Then you bring in an established name as the DC, who can also act as an Asst. HC. That way the HC who is calling the plays has some cover for other parts of the duties that he may not be able to do while calling plays. Also, the game is super analytical now. The coaches don't even need to make their own plays. All they have to do is put there own wrinkle on the same concepts. There are only some many routes to run, route combinations that work against specific defenses, etc, etc. Everything is plotted and graphed, so there should be very little need for major decisions within the game. You make them before the game. That is why the Getsy stuff is so alarming at this point. The Texans have a rookie QB, new coaching staff throwing to Nico Collins and Tank Dell, and both of those WRs have more receptions and yards than any WR on the Bears. Getsy was the biggest mistake for the Bears. Knowing the Bears had Fields, he was the polar opposite of Rodgers, a young QB vs a HOFer, Rodgers can pretty much do anything on every play as long as the other players don't make a major mistake. Fields is a mobile QB who has a hard time reading the MoF. That is like oil and water. What could Getsy impart on Fields? Getsy didn't call plays and was just a spectator. I think that was the Bears biggest mistake. Off topic a little, does it ever feel like to you that Fields is shorter than advertised. Fields hits OLine helmets and gets balls batted down like he is 5'10", and when he stands in the pocket he looks shorter than guys like Watson, etc, and he is taller. Hurts even crouches down very low and still makes throws of the middle. I always felt that they should measure eye height vs overall height, because if you have a 5-head like Glennon, you will be 2 inches taller than a normal cranium, but your eye level will be that of someone 2 inches shorter.

Patrick Mahomes is a generational talent, and outside of Kelce and Jones, the Bears may have had a better roster. Mahomes it football jesus, he can literally make any player look good. The team would not have had the success KC did, but that is relative to the entire team, not just Mahomes. Mahomes in a vacuum will probably end up as the best QB of all-time, and he will eclipse numbers set by Brady, Favre, and Rodgers long before they hit the same numbers. Now he just needs to keep winning championships and catch or surpass Brady. Would he have won a SB in Chicago? Yes, in 2018, easily. That would've completely changed how 2019 was handled, so who knows how many more he would've won. Nagy is doing pretty good with him right now. If Fields was with Reid, I think he would be much better than he is now with Getsy, but I assume every young QB would be. Look at what Stroud is doing in HOU, name his top 2 WRs, TE, and RB off the top of your head. Love has been playing solid in QB without his WR1 and RB1, and he doesn't throw for 99 yards. Regardless of the players around him, Fields himself, is not producing. As the biggest contributor in a football game, his impact is the greatest and has a domino effect. If the Bears had Andy Dalton back, the Bears are probably 2-1, and the offense would look a lot more in fluid. Fields is making the offense clunky right now and unfortunately, until he improves, I don't see this changing.

DVOA for Fields thru 3 weeks is -51.8% (last), he passed Jake Luton to become the 2nd worst QB in the last 5 years with over 400 passing attempts. He is nearing Mike Glennon the Giant territory, who is dead last: 20 Luton -48.6% w/ 117 attempts 23 Fields -51.8% w/ 101 attempts 21 Glennon -59.2% w/ 173 attempts To understand how bad Glennon was, he only lasted 4 games. He had 4 TD and 10 INT, a QB Rating of 49.7 and averaged 131 passing yards a game while being sacked 9 times. If we go up in passing attempts, the next two QBs ahead of Fields with more attempts is 20' Dwayne Haskins (-40.1% w/ 261 attempts) and 20' Alex Smith (-39.7% w/ 274 attempts), interestingly enough, both on the Commanders. Fields current QBR is 21.0, 34/34 in the NFL. Fields has had a bottom-5 QBR every week this season. For PFF, Fields has a 62.3 (27th) OFF Grade and a 54.3 Passing Grade (31st). His traditional QB Rating is 67.7 (30th) So the eye test is matching the stats, all of the stats. I think the worst possible combination all hit at the same time, weak roster (GM), bad HC, bad/inexperienced OC and play caller, and a QB that really needs a super strong development environment to progress. This is clearly not a system built for Fields, nor is it play to his strengths, that is 100% on Getsy, and should be a fireable offense (no pun intended). The only thing saving Fields right now is that the entire roster around him is terrible and his OC can't draw up a play to get anyone open. Guys like Burrow, Pickett, Lawrence, and even Hurts have a lower than normal QBR. So it could just be an early season thing, but if he ever needed a slump buster, I hope he finds one this week and gets all his frustrations out, just don't pull a hammy.

If Fields was ever gonna throw for 300 yards, here is his chance. At home against a team that gave up 70 pts. Denver is on the road for back to back games.

That tells me there is a disconnect between GM and HC.

At this point, they have to go no less than 2-2 in the next 4, otherwise someone is fired or Fields is benched. 1-3 makes them 1-6 and 4-20 over the last two seasons. 2-2 at least shows some sign of progress. Based on those opponents, they should go 3-1 at a minimum, but they're the Bears and nuthin' is easy. The first win would do wonders for them, even against a winless team like Denver. Getting 2 straight would also be huge because that has yet to happen under Flus.

and the 2024 FA class is stacked. Tee Higgins, Chris Jones, Danielle Hunter, Brian Burns, Montez Sweat, Rashan Gary, Calvin Ridley, Michael Pittman, Jaylon Johnson. WRs and Pass Rushers galore! Caleb Williams throwing to DJ Moore, Marvin Harrison Jr, and Tee Higgins? How would that look? https://www.nfl.com/news/top-50-nfl-free-agents-in-2024-tee-higgins-headlines-deep-receiver-crop-pass-rus

Dalton started how many games for the Bears, yet somehow managed to throw for 300 yards (which I believe was the Bears last 300 yard game). Something Fields has yet to do in the NFL. Nick Foles? Started 10 games for the Bears, he had a 300 yard game. It feels like the Bears kept the training wheels on Fields too long. Go back and watch that Cleveland game if you have NFL+, it was atrocious blocking, but as an NFL QB, you can't be that lackadaisical in the pocket. It's like his internal clock is slower than everyone elses. THROW THE BALL!

That is such a depressing comment. So he is now just sitting back and taking it all in and resigned to the fact that this is his peak. It is all downhill from here. I bet he realizes he is done as an NFL starting QB, the writing is on the wall. It is Year 3, Game 4 on Sunday, and you still have the same issues you had 3 years ago. No QB with stats that bad has ever made it to 30 starts, Fields is going into start #29, he may get #30 on a short week for TNF against WAS, but could that be it for him?

I missed this. Did you watch it all the way through? I swear I only saw one pass completed inside the hashes (to ESB I believe), every other pass was sidelines and 2-3 to Kmet up the seam by the numbers. Mostly outside. It was either first read or rollout/scramble. Looking at these now, they don't look nearly as impressive as they did before.

Me too at this point. He has built bad habits for 25+ NFL starts, the other QBs that he was comp'd with showed a drastic turnaround early in Year 3, and he has shown regression. If he doesn't do any amazing scrambles, he looks like a bottom 5 QB that should not be starting in the NFL. The only other option is to make him the backup QB and gadget player like Taysom Hill. Fields is so dynamic as a runner that if they don't use that 75% of the time, it is a waste of athleticism. He is a gifted athlete, not a gifted QB. Watching him now, he looks like he is in the wrong position, like putting a Power Forward at Point Guard. Can they do it? Sure, and some can do it well, but the operation looks clunky. That is Fields.

With 2 weeks in the books, the Bears have the 1st and 4th picks in the 2024 draft. The 1st is their own, and the 4th is from CAR. There are 4x 0-3 teams with DEN and MIN being the last two. In Week 4, those 4 teams face off against each other: DEN @ CHI (Battle of the Suck), two teams enter, one team sucks. MIN @ CAR (Battle of the Suck Part Deux), two teams enter, one team sucks again. So after this week, there will only be 2 winless teams, and the odds say it will be CHI and CAR lol. That would put them in line for the #1 and #2 pick in 2024. Insane. Could you imagine that being some combination of Caleb Williams, Marvin Harrison Jr, Jared Verse, Jer'Zhan Newton, Olumuyiwa Fashnu. The Bears could walk away with a true generational talent at QB and WR, or a combo of QB and Edge, QB and DL or OT. So at this point, would you rather see another 3-14 season with the chance at 2 top 5 picks, or 6-11 and 1 top 5 and 1 top 10 pick? I think the only way they stay with Fields is if they win 7 or more games, they need to play .500 ball the rest of the way and he needs to actually show development. If not, they have to get Williams, and if not the first pick, get one of the other QBs like Maye.

One thing to note, a lot of teams are sending their best pass rusher off the RT side, or they at least swap them. That is how Jones ended up on Wright for the sack he gave up. Jones is a DT. So I think we are getting to the point where the LT and RT are equally needed with the LT having a minor edge due to it being the blindside. However, if you were going to move them, it needed to happen from Day 1.

The worst part is the middle of the field, that's his Kryptonite. This chart is sad af. 3-4 throws to the middle of the field. Teams know this and they force him to throw there, but he won't.

His first 3 starts vs his last 3 starts 2021 (Game 4-6) - 39-64, 60.9%, 494 yds, 7.7 Y/A, 2 TD, 2 INT, 7 sacks (ARob, Mooney, Goodwin) 2023 (Game 1-3) - 51-88, 57.9%, 526 yds, 5.9 Y/A, 3 TD, 4 INT, 13 sacks (Moore, Mooney, Claypool) For sake of fairness I didn't use the CLE game because of the lack of prep. However, with a better receiving corps and 20+ starts in between, outside of 32 more yards in 3 games, he has a lower Comp%, lower Y/A, 1 more TD, 1 more INTs, and 6 more sacks. This is the same QB, doing the same things, and to me, using the eyeball test, has regressed since his rookie year.

No one is trading a 1st for Fields, Lance was traded for a 4th. That would be the max comp for Fields as he has shown he is worse than Lance.

The tape is brutal. Fields needs to be benched. He is beyond repair, at least on this team. He either doesn't see the wide open players (bad vision, not looking that way, etc), or he sees them but can't process the visual information fast enough to trigger his body to physically throw the ball. Don't get me wrong here, but he may have a neurological impairment that prevents that sort of processing. If that is the case, I really feel sorry for him.

WIDE OPEN, just throw the damn ball. It's like he can't see receivers inside the hashes.

Winning 6-7 would be a miracle at this point. With 14 games left, getting 7 wins puts them at 7-7, and 6 wins at 6-8 for the remaining games. Based on the last 20 games, that outcome is really hard to see. I am thinking 2-3 wins is the new target.

Battle of the Winless So here we go, after another loss, the Bears continue to grasp for answers. It feels like groundhog day as the team hasn't won in 12 months now. Both teams will consider the other as their get-right game. Whichever team loses, there season will be over because there won't be an easier team on their schedule than this the entire year. So whoever loses has a better shot at 0-17 than going 9-8. The Broncos are 0-3, have allowed 122 pts and have a pts differential of -53. The Bears say, "hold my beer", they are also 0-3, have allowed 106 pts, and have a pts differential of -59. The teams are 31st and 32nd on defense, offensively, the Broncos have the edge in the passing game, and the Bears have a slight edge rushing. The Broncos had 2 games decided by 3 pts total, so they were a lot closer to winning than the Bears. The Bears best game was a 10-pt loss. The Bears are at home, and that is probably the only edge I can see. However, if they start playing bad, the boo-birds, and paper bags will come out. Unless something changes, I can't see the Bears winning a game this season. This one, in theory should be closer, but probably still a loss. I am going with 24-17 Broncos.

Another odd thing is even in a hurry up tempo, everything seems slow. Fields rarely can get to the line, call a play, and hike the ball. The Bears have been in a lot of 2min offenses while losing, and the pace of everything is too slow. It may be slightly faster than normal, but the entire operation seems slower due to Fields. Fields may know the right answer, but it takes him a few seconds to answer the question, whereas in the NFL you have to answer the question immediately.

He got punched in the face on a tackle near the end zone on 3rd down. He was a little shaken up, should've been a penalty. Moore noticed he was groggy, and grabbed him and directed him off the field.

Ravens or Colts (behind Richardson), or Carolina with Reich. He needs an actual ex-QB as his HC, OC, or QB Coach. On a side note, ARob has 11 receptions for PIT, which would tie for the team lead on the Bears. That is how bad it has gotten. Edwards is 2nd in the NFL in tackles, and Edmunds is 8th (31) Kmet is tied with Kelce with 11 receptions RBBC is not working, Fields is leading rusher and the best RB is Herbert with 93, Roschon has 90 with 6 fewer carries.

Someone mentioned it before, so I assumed most on here were doing tradework. So on the draft, you have to go back to his first draft and the entire philosophy. With gaping holes at OL and DL, he went CB and S with his first two picks as a GM. Then with his early 3rd rounder, drafted a senior citizen KR. Come on man. Brisker is not better than any other Safety picked between the 2-4th rounds. Gordon sucked last year and now is on IR. Velus is standing in the end zone for touchbacks and has 1 touch on offense for -3 yards in his first 3 games. He needed to get the trenches fixed or go WR early to get a stud like Pickens. The OL is fine if they draft Michael-Schmitz (C) and got a OT in 2022 with one of those first 3 picks. There were several available. So that would've allowed him to take Carter in the first this year.

Dead Money if traded: Fields - $5.1M Jackson - $4.0M Justin Jones - $2.5M Jaylon Johnson - $566K Foreman - 375K Mooney - 70K Herbert - 33K Claypool - $0