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Tyke Tolbert gone as well. This makes sense considering young WRs have not developed.

This means Flus is coming back. I have no clue what kind of OC they are going to get. Very disappointing. Should've been the entire staff.

With Janocko

People overthink stuff. Stroud actually had better stats than Young last year, and Alabama didn't even make the college playoffs.

ATL has had the #8 pick 3 years in a row lol. They took Bijan and London with their last 2. I would be shocked if they gave that high of a 1st rounder for Fields. I could see a team doing it in the 20s, but most of those teams don't need a QB. I am not too concerned about that. There is way more tape out there on Williams than there was with Fields. I think the accuracy of the assessment goes way down when you have less reps to look at. Williams had 1099 passing attempts while Fields had 618 in college. That's a big difference, more than a full season of reps. The other thing that I recently noticed was Fields really didn't do much his 2nd year until late in the season. His early numbers actually look eerily similar to his Bears stats with no games over 250 passing yards, several under 200. I also remember hearing Fields talk about how he didn't run that much, which is weird because 11 out of his last 22 games he had over 10 rushes per game with a 100 yard rushing game in there. In a similar amount of games played, Williams has 14x 300-yd games and 5x 400-yd games. Fields has 7x 300-yd games and 0x 400-yd games passing. On a side note, I still can't believe Pace passed on Mahomes or Watson. Mahomes passed for 734 yds in one game and had 3 other games over 500 yds in college. That's 2,422 yards in 4 games. Fields has 2,100 in 8 games his Junior year lol.

So what type of OC is coming in knowing the HC is on the hot seat to start the season? How many OC's survive the HC being fired and are retained by the new HC? Does an new OC want to come to the Bears when the QB position is undecided? It feels like this has to be a clean sweep of the coaching staff, then bring in a new staff, and let them decide on what to do at QB.

That's the thing, do teams even announce that when coaches are under contract? Same with players, normally they are on the team without an announcement or cut/traded with an announcement. I know Ted Phillips and McCaskey did that silly press conference, but that seemed more of a one off than anything. I have to do some Google searches as I am honestly curious on that one.

Two is a trend, and you not only had those personnel issues, which the leader is ultimately responsible for, you had the 3x collapses on the field. Again, one, ok, two? Come on, but 3? He should've been fired after that Cleveland game.

That really helps without having a 2nd. If they do trade down with one of the 1st's, then they will be stocked with 5 picks in the first 3 rounds.

The Bears are definitely getting extra 3rd round comp picks, thanks Ian! I believe that would be an extra 2024 and extra 2025 3rd Round pick.

Vrabel was fired in TEN:

Using Stathead, here is the group of QBs Fields is comp'd with based on QB Rating, Comp%, Passing Yards, Passing TDs, and INTs for this season:

I will check but that's where the 38 starts comes from. I can limit it to something like 35-40 starts and look at those, but my assumption is they will be similar.

Closing the book on Season 3, this is where Fields ranks as a passer (All-Time), in 53 qualifying QBs with 38 or more starts in their first 3 seasons: Passing yards - 3rd lowest (6,674) Completions - 7th lowest (578) Attempts - 3rd lowest (958) TD Passes - 10th lowest (40) Sacks - 4th lowest (135) Wins - 2nd lowest (10) 4QC - T-last (2) GWD - 2nd lowest (3) Since 2000, 33 QBs fit this criteria: Passing yards - Last (next closest, Leftwich +1,209 yds) Completions - Last Attempts - Last TD Passes - 2nd to last (David Carr) Sacks - 4th to last Wins - Last 4QC - T-last GWD - 2nd to last (3) QBR 56.3 in 2022 > 46.2 in 2023 (-10.1) QB Rating 85.2 in 2022 > 86.3 in 2023 (+00.9) From 2022, in the same system, with an improved O-Line, a true WR1, playing the last place schedule, Fields numbers should have been better by default, even if he didn't improve. They weren't. There is really no debate on this. In my opinion, Fields has plateaued, just like in the GB game, teams that fill the escape lanes make him one-dimensional, taking away his greatest strength. What is left is a subpar passer capable of occasional highlight reel plays. The inconsistency week to week shows that you can't win on the broken plays every week, because they won't always be there. At this point, Poles has to figure out if he can make the team around Fields good enough to compensate for the QB position, or replace Fields and saying the QB position is what is holding this team back from success.

Again my assessment means absolutely nothing. I am just going off the other trades with players either near Fields in terms of production/years of service, or draft status. Those are the two I picked. There are more but those seem the most the relevant to Fields.

Just like the anything comments thread, if you have something that is not worry of starting a new thread about, and it is related to free agency, the draft, or coaching changes, post it in here. This will be pinned at the top for easy access, twss.

Yep, I agree, 110%. If they stick with everyone, I will be disappointed, but I will still support them. If they blow it up, it will be exciting to see what they do next. I just hope he makes the right decision. I know there is talk about what happens if the Bears keep Fields and Caleb Williams or Drake Maye become the next Stroud, or if they draft Williams and Fields balls out. Nothing external matters as long as the Bears get it right internally. The QB they keep needs to be a top 12 Passer next year and score TDs in the 4th quarter. If the QBs that go elsewhere excel, who cares.

Yeah, it's 1, 2, or 3. Poles runs the draft. It is arguably the biggest decision for an NFL GM in as long as I can remember. Can you remember another team that had such a high stakes decision like this in recent memory?

After seeing Lance go for a 4th round pick makes me leery. There is more bad tape out on Fields than good, and definitely more bad tape than Lance ever had. For Sam Darnold, the Jets got a future 2nd, future 4th, and current 6th rounder, and even he was more accomplished as a passer than Fields when he was traded. The Darnold trade is probably the starting point. Also, CAR is a terribly run team, no other team in the league is giving that up for Darnold. So for Fields, I believe it starts with a 3rd rounder at best with a late future year 4th or 5th thrown in.

I don't think any team is trading a 2nd for him. There is a huge risk that he doesn't improve. He is so late in his development that very few QBs turn it around, the numbers are astronomically low considering his current numbers. The new team also has to consider it would be his 3rd system in 4 years, which is not easy for a lot of QBs, and doesn't seem to be Fields' strength. I am thinking a team like Buffalo or Baltimore would be the best fit if they wanted him in a backup role for Allen or Lamar. He could even come in for wildcat and trick plays to get him used to the playbook. Any team that takes Fields has to sell it that they can turn him around in the first year. Like he doesn't get an entire season to figure out the new system. The team that trades for him is assuming he is ready and they are only a QB away.

I know this sucks to say, but that game really hurt Fields' trade value. I don't know what team looks at that performance and says I want that guy and I am willing to give up a top 60 pick for him. Just two weeks ago, Bryce Young put up 312 passing yards, 2 TDs on the same defense. I would say his value has dipped to a 3rd and maybe a future late round pick. I doubt any team in the first half of the draft is going to give up a top 50 pick for Fields seeing that performance. Not that fantasy pts mean anything, but they are honestly a quick way to see if a player did anything of value at their position for the game. Fields had the 4th worst performance against the Packers this season, only Winston, Rypien, and Pickett were worse. Tommy Devito, Jimmy G, Derek Carr, Desmond Ridder, Russell Wilson, and even Nick Mullens last game had a better game than Fields, and Mullens came in, in relief of Jaren Hall and only played a half of football.

The best option for Fields is to go somewhere and sit for a year or two. He has taken a beating.

Going to 2 or 3 seems like the most likely option if they don't use the #1 pick. I don't think they go lower than that.