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I am just talking about any player in general. There seems to be a group of teams that are in the dead zone, and who don't look like they are getting out of it any time soon. Here are some teams and the last time they made the playoffs, a team like the Broncos is nearing a decade without a playoff appearance. The Panthers are right behind them. Other teams seem to be trending into the hole. Unless they nail their QB pick, these teams will more than likely stay right here for the foreseeable future. Broncos - 2015 Panthers - 2017 Commanders - 2020 Saints - 2020 Cardinals - 2021 Raiders - 2021 Patriots - 2021 Titans - 2021

Just an interesting way to look at it, but if you think about it, players going to 8-10 teams have no realistic shot at a Super Bowl in their first contracts, maybe even their careers, just by being picked by the wrong team. That has to be depressing. You work your butt off for 20+ years to end up with the worst company in your sector, and you are stuck there at least 4-5 years.

Interesting that only Chase was selected in the top 15, and only 2 in the top 20. It's obvious that players selected earlier are normally on worse teams, but it sort of speaks to the value of the pick compared to the overall success of the team. After QB, it feels like the trenches should be the only other picks used in the top 10, outside of generational guys like MHJ. Even then, just say MHJ goes to NE. What are the odds they are good in the next 5 years, potentially longer?

Barton is shooting up boards for some reason. The team might not have used a top-30 visit on some guys, but could've visited them during their Pro-Day, at one of the All-Star games, or at the combine. Also, any player within the Chicago-metro area does not need to count against the top-30 visits and they don't have to announce those.

I am sure this is the same for other positions, but the top drafted guys rarely win or make it to the SB (for elite WRs). Hopefully DJ Moore can beat that trend. Aiyuk was a 1st rounder and last one to make a SB, but for some reason he disappears in the post season. In 9 career post season games his most receptions are 5, most yards 73, and he only has 1 TD in those 9 games.

In Shane we trust. Geno Smith on the list, Goff and Stafford. All related to Waldron. Williams throws for at least 35 TDs.

I am just hoping for a run on QBs in the top 10 to give the Bears options at #9. Also have a CB go in the top 8 would be amazing.

Guys I would look at from the 2nd round on: Ricky Pearsall and Xavier Legette, WR Ja'Tavion Sanders and Ben Sinnott, TE Kiran Amegadjie, OT and Cooper Beebee, OG Braden Fiske, DT and Adisa Isaac, Edge

Young's size would make him undraftable for me like someone with medical history. Stroud was the safer pick, but I did not expect Stroud to be that good.

Odds that 2 Bears are listed there?

Yeah, I was just responding. At this point there is not really any reason to compare them anymore. I was just posting Brugler's comments on Williams, as he has been pretty spot on with his assessments in terms of projections in the past. There are a whole bunch of other comments on other players of interest that I will post. I just haven't gotten around to it yet. I was not expecting another Williams v. Fields thread, that was not my intention.

AZ, I was just pointing out the things that he said Fields needed to do or improve on, the "if he can" or "he needs to" or "he must", and he was spot on if you look at all of them. I really don't care about the things he did, those were outcomes visible in the eye ball test and stats. The things that were missing, absent, or lacking are just as important. What you can do is as important as what you can't do. These are Williams' and Fields' "Ifs, Needs to, and musts": CW 1. eyes need to be more efficient and manipulative 2. needs to take better care of the football 3. needs to be more consistent working on-schedule from the pocket JF 1. needs to be quicker eliminating things post-snap 2. needs to be better taking what the defense gives him instead of forcing throws 3. ball security needs work 4. needs to do a better job of avoiding hits 5. he must speed up his target-to-target progression reads and improve his urgency when the initial target is taken away 6. if he can quicken his reads and process Notice the difference? Williams coming out is a much more polished QB and player as a whole.

Super wild how accurate Brugler was on Fields in terms of the projection, not what he did good or bad in college, but what he needs to do in the NFL to fulfill his potential: "but he must speed up his target-to-target progression reads and improve his urgency when the initial target is taken away." "if he can quicken his reads and process."

Caleb Williams write-up:

17 days left until Caleb Williams is QB1 for the Bears. Pretty crazy that we may have the best QB in franchise history on the roster in less than 3 weeks. Key word "may" but man, I am pumped. I have not been this excited about a draft pick since the failed Trubisky pick. The trade up absolutely killed me, because when Pace did that, I was so sure it was going to be Watson. WTF was he thinking?

That is a smoke screen. Some GM wants him to drop.

Just saw a post about recent FA signed. The prices are coming way down. If feels like we are in bargain central until the draft.

I need to merge RAS score with Top-30 visit with Senior Bowl players. See who meets all 3 criteria. RAS over 9.0, a top-30 visit and played in the Senior Bowl. Poles is picking at least one guy that meets those.

I really like Gabriel Davis in the later rounds.

Blue Chip: Wright, Jenkins (when healthy), Kmet, Moore, Allen, Williams, and Swift (right as cusp) on offense, then Sweat, Edmunds, Edwards (under-rated), Johnson, Brisker, and Byard (not at peak) on defense. So I would say 11-13 if you want to exclude Swift or Byard. Ascending: Dexter, Stevenson, Gordon, #9 pick, and Roschon Also have to consider Santos a blue chip kicker.

I hadn't really looked into the physical traits too much, but they definitely prefer bigger dudes (Dexter, Sweat, Pickens, and even Edmunds).

I don't think DT is in play at #9. It feels like it's going to come down to WR, OT, and Edge. I doubt the Bears would waste a top 30 visit on Turner if they weren't considering him in the first. To me, with Latu's medical history, and the lack of a top 30 visit, it is hard for me to see the Bears taking him without more in depth knowledge on his medicals. I think he is out.

Have the Bears ever had two dominant DE's that were the same "type" of Edge Rusher? To me, it would almost seem better to have a different flavor on either side, or ones you can move all over the line. If they are similar then you are not really gaining an advantage by swapping them. At least from the way I am thinking about it.

My fear is someone trades up with ATL instead of the Bears. Penix is the biggest wild card of the group, I think Williams, Daniels, and Maye go in the top 4. Then it is whether other teams get FOMO and go after McCarthy or Penix early. The Chargers literally have no WRs, so I doubt they trade down when they can get one of the top 3 WRs. Same goes for the Giants, look at their WRs. They could also go QB. If QBs go 1-2-3, can the Cards afford not to draft MHJ? That's why it seems like Alt is going to the Titans. Atlanta doesn't need Bowers, and they can get the #1 defensive player in the draft if they want to. I am just hoping 4 QBs go in the top 8 at least giving the Bears the option for Turner at 9 if they can't trade down.

I agree, I would say Rodgers is a better comp too. That would be funny as long as Love only ends up as slightly above average.