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I don't get it, but maybe he's just a bad interviewer. He was also passed over by Indy for a lesser known guy in Griggson. What's scary to me is Licht and Ruskell are still out there and haven't been dismissed yet as candidates.

Every news media outlet has us signing Emery as the new GM. Once I found out about the Ruskell stuff and how he was connected with the Bears before, I thought this hiring was inevitable. This was such a comfortable, easy hire for Ted Phillips. Now everybody gets to keep their jobs.

https://twitter.com/#!/Kiplewistv/statu...543222890475521 I suspect Licht will be the next guy eliminated from the list. Wouldn't be surprised to see Ross and Emery in for secondary interviews this week. Though I think Emery is going to be the guy. Edit: BobMcGinn Bob McGinn The #Bears on the verge of hiring #Chiefs dir. of college scouting Phil Emery as GM. NFL sources said just a matter now of dotting the i's. 5 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply Retweeted by @yourboyroy

How was his body language when he found out?

He's only an ILB and seeing how we are going to have Urlacher there for atleast 2-3 more seasons, drafting him in the 1st round would be a waste. I think he goes to Detroit to make them the dirtiest team of all time.

It is possible. I would be shocked if Floyd was actually there at 19. I don't see how teams pass on his talent when there are quite a few teams out there like us, that need receiver help. Philly might even be inclined to take one if they don't plan on resigning Desean Jackson, and you have to think New York might need a guy like Floyd to help out Sanchez.

If we came away this offseason with Bowe and Floyd I wouldn't complain. We have so many options going into next year that we could completely revamp one of our weaknesses and make it one of our greatest strengths. We could go all in on receivers (Sign a guy, draft another) we could go all in on offensive line (Draft one, sign another) or we can pick and choose different spots and do a little of each (I.E Sign Nicks, draft Floyd.. or Sign Finley, Manningham, draft OL etc..) lots of options. I don't see how we could possibly screw this one up but this is the Bears we are talking about.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I just want, for ONE damn time, the Bears to hire someone that has no prior connections or is not a friend of Lovie Smith to work here. Is that so much to ask? It's like the show "Friends" at Halas Hall because everyone tries to get jobs for their buddies. It's just annoying.

Once I heard that he worked with Ruskell and the Bears before, I don't want him anymore. Go with Ross, who's a young up and comer. But knowing the Bears, they like to save everybody's jobs so they'll go with Emery because he'll keep Donut man Ruskell.

I don't agree with the second part about which is better, but I'll give you that if you're trading up, all things considered, Kalil would be more worth it.

My comment about Martz and his deep patterns is probably less true than what I was lead on to believe initially just based off the yards/attempt statistic that I compiled. It cleared up some misconceptions I had previously, but then again there really isn't a true way of knowing "routes wise" unless you would do a film study to watch for it because a QB can throw a short pass even when there are two other guys running 15 yards down field. Martz is known for his aggressive play calling style in how he attacks defenses with the limitless passing concepts he has created in the 10,000 pages in his playbook. It was the density and complexity of the playbook that kept the Bears from signing anybody other than Josh McCown when Cutler went down. That is why I suspected that they probably ran as many as any team in the league. His reputation indicated that this would be true, and I didn't see anything during games that would have lead me to believe otherwise.

It was yards/attempt. I overlooked it before when I was going through the box scores originally but then I came back to it. Check it out on one of the games I was looking at. Scroll down and you'll find it under the passing. http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/boxscor...&final=true Technically I wasn't wrong about anything I said. I was basing this off what you said about how we won those 5 games despite not throwing down field more often. His 2nd five games in comparison to his first 5 shows you that they were throwing it down field more, otherwise his yards/attempt would have remain unaffected. The other group of guys I put together randomly, not knowing what I was going to find out. Since I found this to be a pretty reliable statistic I wanted to see how everything turned out and as I mentioned in my previous post, most of those guys I had on their actually threw for more yards/attempt than Cutler did based on the first 10 games of the season which I found kind of surprising, to a degree. But I also think it's fair to say, Jays yards/attempt could have continued to go upward had he been able to play out the rest of the season against some very very bad teams. The only way I think you could accurately target the amount of routes being run is to do an actual film study of each and every game from every team in the NFL to compare it to the Bears. And unless there is a stat I don't know about, I don't think I'll be doing that.. As for your other stat, I think when you simply compare "Short" and "Deep" it doesn't represent what my argument was because when I say "down field" that includes the intermediate routes as well. I didn't restrict my argument to just throwing 40 yard bombs every play. That's not realistic. I think yards/attempt better conveys this.

Alshon might be one of those players that you think is going in the top 15 and then ends up slipping to the beginning of the 2nd round. Michael Floyd is #1 on my realistic wish list. Also, Kendall Wright could be the next Mike Wallace. He has all the tools to be a great receiver in this league despite his smallish stature. Two other guys I like from the WR position is Sanu and Dwight Jones.

Ross, Raye, or Emery all seem like good guys. I don't want the Licht guy. He's never been in a draft room.

I'm not ignoring anything. You think targets per game conveys which routes these guys run and how much time Cutler spends in the pocket, when it clearly doesn't. Yes I know that there are different routes that take longer to develop but Targets per game doesn't even come close to painting that picture. You can keep inferring that it does, and go ahead, but it's not conducive to the argument. And don't even begin to tell me I don't look up stats. Don't even start with that crap. See, when I use statistics to support my opinion, they actually mean something and actually have merit and purpose to the argument. Generally speaking, your statistics are usually ones that serve different purposes than what you are using them for. Although I will give you credit, atleast you are trying now. What blew up in my face? You haven't presented anything that I haven't been able to debunk with logical reasoning. But then you always have a way of twisting different meanings of things to portray them the way you want them to be instead of just accepting that you have nothing else to say. Yeah. Since I do that. Right? Give me a break. If there is one person on this board that throws out more blanket statements, without backing any of it up, that person would be you. Here's a list that I compiled based on the yards/attempt from the 5 game winning streak, and then I compared it to the first 5 games of the season when the line was by far the worst in the league. Then I compared his yards/attempt with Caleb Haine's and Josh McCown's to show how much Jay Cutler affected the ability for us to run an offense. Also, I took 3 of the quarterbacks from the top 3 offenses in the NFL and compared their first 10 games of the season to Cutlers. In a way I actually was a bit surprised by how far ahead GB was over anyone else but then when you look at how efficient they were , it really puts it in perspective. You can't say that I'm cherry picking stats. Jay Cutler: 1st 5 games 5.88 yards/attempt 5 game winning streak 6.96 yard/attempt Cutler 10 games- 6.42 yards/attempt Last 6 games with Haine/Mcown- 3.65 yards/attempt **I had to lol at this.. how pathetic** If it weren't for the 8.6 yards/attempt McCown had in the GB game it would have been even worse! It shows you how Martz really had to dial it down once Jay went down. I'm glad I was able to stumble upon this statistic because it help clears up alot of misconceptions. While I was right about us throwing the ball down field more often post-Martz interogation it turns out that the Bears aren't as high as I anticipated in terms of throwing it downfield in comparison to other teams. But again, it's also possible that things would have averaged out better if Cutler would have finished out the season against some really terrible teams. Those first 5 games shows you how poorly that offense was run and once Martz got his shit together and ran a slightly more traditional offense, we started to take off a little bit more and the line was getting better. I'm curious to see how much better we would have been if Cutler had gotten to play the last 6 games of the season. Top 3 NFL offenses Drew Brees: 10 games- 7.28 yards/attempt Aaron Rodgers: 10 games- 8.57 yards/attempt Tom Brady: 10 games- 7.7 yards/attempt Randoms Joe Flacco: 10 games- 6.14 yards/attempt Matt Hasselbeck 10 games- 6.6 yards/attempt Alex Smith 10 games- 6.42 yards/attempt Matt Stafford 10 games- 6.74 yards/attempt Phillip Rivers 10 games- 7.14 yards/attempt Tony Romo 10 games- 7.47 yards/attempt

Yeah his hands are incredibly inconsistent but his talent is undeniable. He'd certainly help stretch the field and Cutler likes his TE's. IMO I'd use Finley as sort of a secondary option in free agency if guys like Nicks or Bowe fall through.

That would be hilarious. Who would want to come here then?

TPG really have nothing to do with what you are trying to make out. They really don't. You can say all you want about what you think you know, but you really have no clue. Sorry. Johnny Knox had his starting job taken over by Roy Williams at the beginning of the season and saw less time on the field, which would factor in to the number of targets he gets throughout the course of a game. Another would be, he simply is not that great of a receiver and has trouble getting open. It has nothing to do with the amount of time a qb has in the pocket. none whatsoever. I'm frankly amused that it would even be possible for someone to think that. And, is it not obvious that those quarterbacks you threw out there have significantly more talented players on the offensive side of the ball? Not to mention way more efficient. Most of those teams have a more balanced offense than we do in terms of mixing their passes up (Not the actual run/pass ratio), and whenever they do decide to go down field, it's going to work more effectively with the talent they have on the field as opposed to the Bears. You clearly don't watch much of these offenses or have an understanding of their schemes to say they don't get their fair share of mix between quick/long passes. GB will dink and dunk you for a few plays here and there and then all of a sudden Rodgers rolls out and finds Jordy Nelson wide open for a 45 yard touchdown. And both he and Greg Jennings, I would suspect are probably among the tops in the league in YAC. You won't find a single Chicago Bear outside of Forte, who's not a receiver, in that category. I wish I did have the numbers for Yards per attempt from Cutler because that would put an end to this discussion. The fact that Forte has so many yards from scrimmage when he's catching the ball would bring down those numbers a bit, but if you were to take those out, I bet you the number would be high. For freak sake, you have to be one of the dumbest individuals I have ever come across when talking about football, I swear to God. Maybe I have to spell everything out for you since you are not capable of understanding anything outside of your own narrow minded skull. Martz's system is ineffective at protecting the QB. You're going to give up sacks, you're going to face a ton of pressure. There is no way around it. That's the affect a 7 step drop has on ANY offensive line and that's the way it has always been. You are not going to ever find an offensive line that runs Martz's system be in the top 5 in avoiding pressure i.e sacks. BUT you can still be an effective offense despite that, which is exactly what I have been saying this entire time and is why I threw out our scoring as an example of that. You act like we can never run routes longer than 5 yards, but we did anyways and it helped us win football games. Now If we were to decrease the amount of those a bit and mixed in a few more rhythm passes to along with some rollouts/misdirection plays, I think we would be an even better offense. The difference I have with you is the level of severity you go to when you mention just how much we have to restrict that part of the game. I actually don't believe you even know what you're talking about half the time with all the reaching you do in regards to our debates. It's like you don't really have anything to say so you just kind of throw 'whatever' out there and hope it sticks. Well, it doesn't.

I saw John Clayton on NFL live yesterday talking about how he thinks the Saints are going to let Carl Nicks walk and go ahead and franchise Marcus Colston. I'd jump all over him if he ever made it to the open market.

I have a feeling the Bears are going to try to weaken their arch rivals by taking Jermichael Finley away from them. You add a guy like him and then possibly another receiver or two through draft or Free agency and suddenly, you've got a pretty potent offense. Fred Davis wouldn't be bad either. Just depends on how aggressive we want to be.

30 catches is kind of bad if you want him to be more of a point of emphasis on offense.. 50 is probably average, 60-70 is slightly above and 90+ is reaching Graham, Gronkowski, and Jason Witten territory. I don't forsee him ever being a guy that's going to catch more than 50-60 passes at best but who knows.

There is nothing truthful about what you have said. ROFL, are you referring to yourself?! I've said this before and I'll say it again, when the 7 step drop is the feature of your offense, like it is with Mike Martz, you are always going to face more pressure from opposing defenses than an offense that's more well rounded. History proves this point if you go look at the numbers from previous Mike Martz lead offenses. Offensive lines aren't built to routinely protect the quarterback when the majority of your play calls are built around 5-7 step drops. You look at teams like New Orleans or GB and watch at how quickly their quarterback gets the ball out of his hand. They do an excellent job of mixing the 3 step drop with longer ones and it keeps the defenses guessing. There sure weren't too many times I saw during the year where Cutler was making quick decisions with the ball. And when he was, it wasn't happening enough. Most of his passes were down the field because, as I've been saying, that's how Martz's offense works. Despite all of that, the Bears were still 6th in the league in ppg at the time of Cutler's injury, which is pretty good I would say. When I saw the Mike Tice interview last week, it's funny how many Bears fans I saw that were clamoring over the fact that he's going to get Cutler to throw from different launching points, where you roll him out, give him looks that he had in Denver etc.. Even AUDIBLE! So in other words, he's running a 'normal' offense. I don't think it's far fetched to say you'll see improvement from the line as a whole when they no longer have to run an outdated scheme, but one that plays to the strengths of their quarterback. You said this offense wasn't successful when they run routes that aren't short. The catches shows that the Bears were consistently getting the ball down field and they were winning those games! You mean like what you have done? Lol, revise history? If by revising history you mean going back to look at the boxscores of the games that are there for everyone to see, and using them to point out the fact that the Bears were throwing downfield consistently throughout their 5 game win streak, then I am guilty. No. What YOU said was "They were getting into a groove despite the fact that they were severely limited on the number of effective pass routes available." Which if that were true, then it couldn't possibly explain why Jay Cutler and his receivers were suddenly catching more balls deeper down the field than at any other point during the season. Now you are really reaching. Targets per game? What the hell? How does this have anything to do with anything? Yes, Earl Bennett is Cutler's favorite target and Johnny Knox and Roy Williams weren't. Okay. So what? TPG doesn't, in any way, shape or form, signify the type of routes guys were running at a given time or how much time Cutler had to throw to these guys. I really don't know where you're getting at with this.

Not sure what to make of him. He's not the fastest guy out there at 267 lbs, so I don't know how consistent he would be, stretching the field but he's got the size and athleticism to be a primary redzone target but I don't know if it goes beyond that. He shows signs in spurts. I don't think we have enough evidence either way to define him just yet. Martz notoriously ignores all TE's so he was being wasted as a blocker for the last two seasons and before that was behind Greg Olsen and Dez Clark in the depth chart. I'm interested in seeing what he can do in a new offense. His measurements and 40 time are very similar to one, Rob Gronkowski. Who knows?

For the love of God.. This line is getting irritating. What routes aren't available? Please tell me because I remember seeing several times Cutler finding Earl Bennett down the field for big plays, and Johnny Knox had a few huge plays against San Diego the week he went down where he averaged 32.3 yards per catch including a 42 yarder. Bennett averaged 25 per catch in that game. Even in the game against Detroit where the offense didn't have to do much, Cutler still found Bennett for a 30 yarder, Sam Hurd for 21 yards, and Knox for an 18 yard pass completion. You're telling me those were all short bubble routes that lead to these scores? Give me a freakin break. Frankly, I'm sick and tired of this same garbage you keep repeating when you know it's not even remotely true. The Bears probably ran as many, if not more deep patterns during the season with Cutler than just about any team in the NFL. That's the Mike Martz offense. And guess what? We were pretty darn successful with it during that 5 game winning streak. So don't give me that B.S about "Pass routes available" because I don't want to hear it anymore. Out of all those receivers I mentioned the thing they all share in common is that they are all 1st round picks with the exception of Cruz and Manningham but as far as #1's go, they were all taken in the 1st round. I'm not going to argue that great offensive line play aids the ability for a quarterback to find his receivers but it doesn't have any impact on the individual play of the receiver themselves. It doesn't make them run any faster, leap any higher, or catch any better. We don't have anybody on this team that could do what Vernon Davis did to New Orleans in the playoffs (Does Kellen Davis make those plays?), we don't have anybody on this team that has all the physical tools that a guy like Hakeem Nicks has, we don't have anybody on this team that could make the play that Demaryius Thomas made during OT with that incredible run after the catch. Does Earl Bennett or Roy Williams beat any of those DB's around the edge to score an 80 yarder? Could Knox fight off the defender after the initial catch to get to the endzone? I doubt it. It's just not there. The Moose comment was directed towards the lack of talent at the quarterback position the Bears have ran out there for basically the entire existence of the franchise before Cutler. It had nothing to do with offensive line play. When you have to go back to Sid Luckman pre-Cutler to talk about great quarterback play, it's not good. Moose was actually on 670 the score a few weeks ago to give insight on the Jerry Angelo firing and he went out of his way to bash Rex Grossman when the guys asked him about that very comment.

Who are you referring to? Sam Hurd is spending the rest of his career in prison. Dane Sanzenbacher is hot garbage and most likely will not be back (Wouldn't matter if he was anyways since he's no good). Devin Hester is not a receiver even if you want to consider him one. Roy Williams will not be re-signed, and Johnny Knox may never play again and is a free agent. His injury is going to have a lot to do with whether we re-sign him or not. I have to imagine, he's going to have to go through a mental struggle the rest of his career if he ends up playing again. You can't have an injury like that and not damage some part of you psychologically.