Pick #25

[Alaskan Grizzly]

Watching the pass rushers on Miami tonight makes me think one of them (Bain or Messidor) maybe should end up a Bear? 

[DABEARSDABOMB]

6 minutes ago, Alaskan Grizzly said:

Watching the pass rushers on Miami tonight makes me think one of them (Bain or Messidor) maybe should end up a Bear? 

Bain is a stud but I think he’s supposed to be like a top 10 pick. 

[Mongo3451]

40 minutes ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

Bain is a stud but I think he’s supposed to be like a top 10 pick. 

Yeah, Bain will be top 10 easy.  We could always trade up.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

31 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Yeah, Bain will be top 10 easy.  We could always trade up.

Would have to get to #3.  It would take possibly 2 firsts and a player.  Pretty steep, but if he is Myles Garrett 2.0 might be worth it.

[AZ54]

7 hours ago, Stinger226 said:

I think he's only 25-26, just entering his prime.  Depends on concerns about future health that I think will affect re-signing him. 

His concussion injury was nearly as serious as they come.  It took an immense amount of courage for him to get back on the field.  It has impacted how he plays the game.  I think even the rest of the league will look at him as a one year FA.  
 

however it shakes out this defense needs one more really good downhill player among the back 7.  Kyle Gordon can be that guy on one side.  Can add an impact LB or S will help to generate more negative plays.   

[DABEARSDABOMB]

54 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

His concussion injury was nearly as serious as they come.  It took an immense amount of courage for him to get back on the field.  It has impacted how he plays the game.  I think even the rest of the league will look at him as a one year FA.  
 

however it shakes out this defense needs one more really good downhill player among the back 7.  Kyle Gordon can be that guy on one side.  Can add an impact LB or S will help to generate more negative plays.   

If Jaquan is willing to go short I could see both being back but right now I’m guessing just Byard. 

[Stinger226]

Are all these players the players DA wants for his style defense? Most were here with only a few added. I can see him having more input in this draft since it will be mainly a defensive draft. 

Anyone more familiar with his style? I read he likes big DEs, speed at LB, and tall corners. Was Hypoplite and Frazier influenced by DA?

A lot coaches may come and go but I think DA is here for the long haul. He's had two HC jobs and failed, probably not going anywhere.

[AZ54]

Early on this season he said pass rush doesn’t come from the edge it comes up the middle. 
 

I’ll assume bigger DEs that can do both run support and compress the pocket so there is no QB escape path.  

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, AZ54 said:

Early on this season he said pass rush doesn’t come from the edge it comes up the middle. 
 

I’ll assume bigger DEs that can do both run support and compress the pocket so there is no QB escape path.  

Hopefully, Turner is one of those guys.  Other than that, we have zero interior guys with an ounce of twitch.  I proposed a trade with KC to send them DJ for Chris Jones, plus anything else they may reasonably need.

Not sure about free agency, but the draft always has these guys.  Poles has been crap at finding them though.

[adam]

10 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Hopefully, Turner is one of those guys.  Other than that, we have zero interior guys with an ounce of twitch.  I proposed a trade with KC to send them DJ for Chris Jones, plus anything else they may reasonably need.

Not sure about free agency, but the draft always has these guys.  Poles has been crap at finding them though.

KC's cap is screwed. I don't think they can trade Jones because him and Mahomes are basically the only two players that you can get cap relief from with a restructure. If they trade him, they immediately get a $30M dead money cap hit, which doesn't really help their situation. 

I have seen Simmons mentioned from TEN, but TEN has the most cap space, so moving him doesn't make much sense if it is strictly for cap purposes. 

There are several teams that fit the criteria who are in the need of cap relief and trading a player would provide that:  Vikings, Cowboys, and Dolphins

 

[Mongo3451]

16 minutes ago, adam said:

KC's cap is screwed. I don't think they can trade Jones because him and Mahomes are basically the only two players that you can get cap relief from with a restructure. If they trade him, they immediately get a $30M dead money cap hit, which doesn't really help their situation. 

I have seen Simmons mentioned from TEN, but TEN has the most cap space, so moving him doesn't make much sense if it is strictly for cap purposes. 

There are several teams that fit the criteria who are in the need of cap relief and trading a player would provide that:  Vikings, Cowboys, and Dolphins

 

Yes, but they also get 15 mil in relief.  I don't see how they can play with his contract to get more relief than that. (Without putting them further in hell down the road). DJ would give them a needed receiver at a wash in price.  2027 gives them better relief.

[adam]

3 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said:

Yes, but they also get 15 mil in relief.  I don't see how they can play with his contract to get more relief than that. (Without putting them further in hell down the road). DJ would give them a needed receiver at a wash in price.  2027 gives them better relief.

Not if they trade for Moore, they take on his cap hit, which would be $16.5M for them, which means they would swap Moore and Jones and be worse off than they are now.

A cut or trade accelerates cap hits, while restructures lessens them pushing money into the future like you said. KC is only in a bind for 2026, so they can safely move $20-30M to 2027 with limited impact.  They have to free up $62M or $70M in effective cap, that is almost 25% of the total cap.

They can add also void years to help offset the spread of the bonuses. So Jones has a $44.8M cap hit this year with $35M in guarantees. Since the money is guaranteeed, they will have to pay it one way or another. So they can convert it all to a bonus which gets spread out over the remainder of his deal, 3 years. That would reduce his 2026 cap hit to around $30M (saving $15M). However, if they need even more relief than that, they can add a year or two in void years to thin out that bonus money over 5 years instead of 3, which would give him a cap hit of $26M for 2026, saving about $19M.

[Mongo3451]

13 minutes ago, adam said:

Not if they trade for Moore, they take on his cap hit, which would be $16.5M for them, which means they would swap Moore and Jones and be worse off than they are now.

A cut or trade accelerates cap hits, while restructures lessens them pushing money into the future like you said. KC is only in a bind for 2026, so they can safely move $20-30M to 2027 with limited impact.  They have to free up $62M or $70M in effective cap, that is almost 25% of the total cap.

They can add also void years to help offset the spread of the bonuses. So Jones has a $44.8M cap hit this year with $35M in guarantees. Since the money is guaranteeed, they will have to pay it one way or another. So they can convert it all to a bonus which gets spread out over the remainder of his deal, 3 years. That would reduce his 2026 cap hit to around $30M (saving $15M). However, if they need even more relief than that, they can add a year or two in void years to thin out that bonus money over 5 years instead of 3, which would give him a cap hit of $26M for 2026, saving about $19M.

Nice.  But couldn't we redo DJ and move some cap hit for KC this year?  IMO, Mahommes needs a reliable receiver to work the middle, more than they need Jones.  Don't forget the annual cap bump...

[adam]

1 minute ago, Mongo3451 said:

Nice.  But couldn't we redo DJ and move some cap hit for KC this year?  IMO, Mahommes needs a reliable receiver to work the middle, more than they need Jones.  Don't forget the annual cap bump...

Anything is possible. DJ would have to agree to it. I agree on the WR part for KC, especially considering Kelce's retirement. Kmet an option?

Moore is the perfect WR for a bad team with a young QB, like TEN or LVR. 

[Mongo3451]

19 minutes ago, adam said:

Moore is the perfect WR for a bad team with a young QB, like TEN or LVR. 

Ten would bring Simmons into play...

[Stinger226]

1 hour ago, adam said:

Anything is possible. DJ would have to agree to it. I agree on the WR part for KC, especially considering Kelce's retirement. Kmet an option?

Moore is the perfect WR for a bad team with a young QB, like TEN or LVR. 

Didn't Kelce just sign an extension? He's not going anywhere. If we redo DJs contract for Cap space, that lessens the reason to get rid of him. It's not going to be easy to unload a big contract, like you said Tennessee and Vegas have the Cap space to absorb it. 

No matter what anyone's opinion about DJ is he's a team player. Hasn't complained once in two years over not being the #1  target share. Block, runs the ball, plays hurt.

I like the way Olin kruetz put it, fans need a whipping boy every year to blame losing. DJ is a sure thing. Rome has been close to a 50% catch rate since being a pro , doesn't play hurt. Burden could be the next great thing but its a small sample size. I think they keep this together for one more year and let Rome and Burden grow into their roles then everything is on the table. 

If you think he's expendable good for you, I just don't think the bears do.

[AZ54]

3 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Didn't Kelce just sign an extension? He's not going anywhere. If we redo DJs contract for Cap space, that lessens the reason to get rid of him. It's not going to be easy to unload a big contract, like you said Tennessee and Vegas have the Cap space to absorb it. 

No matter what anyone's opinion about DJ is he's a team player. Hasn't complained once in two years over not being the #1  target share. Block, runs the ball, plays hurt.

I like the way Olin kruetz put it, fans need a whipping boy every year to blame losing. DJ is a sure thing. Rome has been close to a 50% catch rate since being a pro , doesn't play hurt. Burden could be the next great thing but its a small sample size. I think they keep this together for one more year and let Rome and Burden grow into their roles then everything is on the table. 

If you think he's expendable good for you, I just don't think the bears do.

Rome played 5 games with a stress fracture in his foot. Then tried to come back early for the Packers game.  

[Stinger226]

12 minutes ago, AZ54 said:

Rome played 5 games with a stress fracture in his foot. Then tried to come back early for the Packers game.  

We finished with a 12 win season, won the north, and a playoff game because of our offense. Next year will be Caleb's breakout season. They're just going to tweak the offense rather than make major changes. The LT will now need some attention but the offense is ready to be one of the top scoring teams in the league. Every WR has been dinged up this year, I think they value what we have in the WR room.this year.

[Stinger226]

Looking at draft buzz Peter Woods is ranked #5 , the rest of the DTs are all at the end of the first round. I'm thinking we could get a good one at 25. Things will change but 25 is going to give us a player that will contribute his first year.

[ASHKUM BEAR]

21 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Didn't Kelce just sign an extension? He's not going anywhere. If we redo DJs contract for Cap space, that lessens the reason to get rid of him. It's not going to be easy to unload a big contract, like you said Tennessee and Vegas have the Cap space to absorb it. 

No matter what anyone's opinion about DJ is he's a team player. Hasn't complained once in two years over not being the #1  target share. Block, runs the ball, plays hurt.

I like the way Olin kruetz put it, fans need a whipping boy every year to blame losing. DJ is a sure thing. Rome has been close to a 50% catch rate since being a pro , doesn't play hurt. Burden could be the next great thing but its a small sample size. I think they keep this together for one more year and let Rome and Burden grow into their roles then everything is on the table. 

If you think he's expendable good for you, I just don't think the bears do.

Kelce said he may retire, dont blame him since Mahomes could miss time. Because he signed an extension doesnt mean he cant retire. He can make as much or more on TV and KC was awful this season. 

If DJ stays great, but they need to re-work his money.  If he knew his assignment and hustled, he'd be a hero again and we'd be talking Seattle. 

[Stinger226]

3 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

Kelce said he may retire, dont blame him since Mahomes could miss time. Because he signed an extension doesnt mean he cant retire. He can make as much or more on TV and KC was awful this season. 

If DJ stays great, but they need to re-work his money.  If he knew his assignment and hustled, he'd be a hero again and we'd be talking Seattle. 

 

[Mongo3451]

1 hour ago, Stinger226 said:

No matter what anyone's opinion about DJ is he's a team player. Hasn't complained once in two years over not being the #1  target share. Block, runs the ball, plays hurt.

Team players don't quit.  This may be the most off base argument you have ever made.  And it's not the second or third time either he has quit on the team.  Also as he was a pouty little bitch last year.  Good grief...

[ASHKUM BEAR]

1 hour ago, Mongo3451 said:

Team players don't quit.  This may be the most off base argument you have ever made.  And it's not the second or third time either he has quit on the team.  Also as he was a pouty little bitch last year.  Good grief...

I feel pretty good with Odunze, Burden, and Walker if DJ is moved. Draft another later and sign someone with better hands than zaccheous. With all the drops by all the receivers, they need to spend the offseason together taking Caleb's bullets.  I love Randell El, but he needs to work harder getting his WR hands stickier.