jackie hayes

Historically, Philly's done a great job managing the cap. That's how they were able to break the bank for Kearse when the Bears were trying to land him. Not that that says anything definite about the situation today, but I imagine they're okay.

I'd do either deal. Going by the trade value chart, I guess I'd prefer the 2nd + 3rd, with a trade down from our first round pick to recoup something. But I don't honestly think the Browns will trade Quinn, and if they do, I'm almost sure they'll demand a 1st. But I'd give that up for Quinn.

Done. I like Quinn better than any of the qbs available this year, anyway.

The Browns will probably say he isn't, and it is only a 3-year deal, but iirc there were rumors that his agent would demand a trade if Anderson resigned. Wait and see. But, man, that would be my dream scenario.

Balta, you're right that giving up on Williams and Okwo would show that a big mistake was made -- twice, even -- but if the coaches are confident about that, what's the point in putting them out there? If it's recognized as a mistake, it's better to cut your losses than to stick it out because of a bad past decision. That said, I can't imagine they're giving up on Okwo, at least. Sure, he went on IR, but the Bears love putting young defensive players on IR when they scratch a finger. What could they have seen to be so sure he isn't a good lb?

It's rotoworld. OP, you should cite where you take something from.

Actually, for a bargain-basement price, I'd be okay with it. As long as it doesn't involve losing anyone with real potential. He was fun to watch with SF.

Rotoworld speculates: I just thought this would elicit those happy feelings, make the endorphins flow, you know, all that good stuff.

Cutler wasn't an unknown before the combine. Here's one mock from before the combine that has him going in the middle of the first round -- http://www.fantasyfootballcafe.com/2006/pl...fl_february.php -- which is about where he ended up. And not one of those guys you list was ever considered a strong prospect. Noone's comparing Flacco to Troy Smith, it's more a question of Flacco vs Henne, or Flacco vs wait a year.

Flacco didn't destroy the combine, not even close. Some thought he was good, but KFFL criticized his accuracy. His buzz has been gathering for a long time now, that's all. And why not pick Justin Fargas as a guy who killed at the combine? Did you just want to pick someone who failed to make your point? Why not pick someone who stayed at the same position?

Matt Jones isn't a good comp. Jones had to learn an entirely new position. The only knock on Flacco is that he comes from a small school. I guess he'd have to transition from a shotgun offense, too, but that's a small thing, and pretty common for qbs.

What would the cap implications be? He's still under his rookie deal, iirc, but he was a high pick.

Fargas II.

Yeah, but I read that it was an unofficial 4.27, while the 4.33 was an official time for the 2nd run. Did anyone hear what Mayock said?

Not really Bears related, but there's no combine thread, so...Rotoworld reports that McFadden ran a 4.33 40. The NFL.com broadcast had Mike Mayock covering the combine earlier, hopefully he was covering this. Anyone hear if he said anything about the McFadden run (since he had McFadden much lower than most, 16 overall iirc)?

Health problems? He had some problems his senior year, but he played 3 full seasons before that without missing a game. Why is this a concern?

This is like the Ricky Bobby line, where he thinks saying "all due respect" lets him say anything no matter how disrespectful. If you don't want to sound racist, maybe you should stop saying racist things. Also things that are bullshit, but let's go one step at a time.

Well, yeah, that's kind of my point.

The majority of qbs aren't good. Expecting black qbs to be better than that is silly. And preferring Eric freakin Ainge just because he's white is idiotic. There's a reason he's expected to go late. He'll probably have a much worse career than ANY of those 3 you just listed.

McNair, McNabb, Moon... Bullshit.

Phillips could play either safety position. He's got the size and power to play ss and the speed and coverage ability to play fs. I don't think that would be a concern. You're right, Manning will be here no matter what -- I'm just saying.

Exactly. If Ryan Leaf couldn't make the throws, he never would have been drafted where he was. It's a lot more difficult to tell if someone can adjust to a more complex system, make pro reads (& much faster reads than in college), or if someone's just a general, total headcase. The arm is just the first thing. I'm not at all convinced about Flacco, but I haven't heard anyone question his arm.

Oh, hey, that's awesome. What a great conversation we're having! Do you have a point?

Well...the question was whether or not Flacco has an "nfl arm". He does, as do all of those guys. It doesn't mean they can play in the NFL, just means they can make the throws.

This thread is 80% wishful thinking.