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Exactly. I dont dislike Eberflus, he seems like a nice guy. he is a terrible coach though. It's like Mother Theresa or Ghandi. Who could hate them? They were amazing humans who brought love and a measure of peace to the planet. They were giants. But they would be terrible as army generals. None of this is a slight against Eberflus the man. For example, I consider myself to be a good person too, and despite all the stuff I know and have learned about football, I would be WAY over my head if I was the head coach of the Bears, and I would hope you would argue that I should be fired. If you care about the team, if you want to win, then you care less about the players and coaches and more about the process. For example, should the 49ers have kept Joe Montana a few more years? He was a football God who brought them 4 Super Bowl wins. But there came a time when it was best to move on from Montana, even though he was still good enough to start for Kansas City. They went another way, and the result was that the Steve Young era happened. Should they have gone with loyalty instead to Montana, and missed the window for Young and the Super Bowl HE won for them? So you gotta ask yourself in that situation, are you a fan of Montana the man, or the 49ers the team? They are in direct conflict with eachother - sometimes it's gotta be one or the other. Looking for positives when we are dead last in the league is an extreme form of this. I get that you are an optimist Stinger, me too in my daily life. I love stories of redemption, I believe positive outcomes are at hand in most things I do, even when things get tough. We are probably very alike in that way. I dont judge friends and neighbors the way I judge Bears players and coaches - because I dont require the level of discipline and excellence that is required to win a Super Bowl from my friends or family. That'd be insane. But at the same time, if you want us to stop being a joke of a franchise, people need to be held accountable for their performances. Looking for hope in Eberflus at this point, and giving him one more year is futile and misguided. I'm sure with more draft picks he might even achieve a 10th ranked defense or something. Incremental improvement is almost guaranteed when you are historically bad. But I can tell you this with 100% certainty. Matt Eberflus will never coach the Chicago Bears to a Super Bowl win. There is zero chance of that. If Poles doesn't fire Eberflus, then Poles should be fired too for gross incompetence. So you gotta ask yourself whether you are a fan of Eberflus the man or the Chicago Bears the team. I'm optimistic that the Bears can be great again. I'm positive about where the future is heading for the roster. I believe that with a new coach and QB this team can rise and become a contender. Im not being negative at all. We just need to get those two positions right, and I dont believe we currently have the guys to get it done at those positions. But I believe we will in the future. That's not pessimistic or being a hater, but it does require that the staff be replaced. And we will all have similar discussions about Fields too.

the defense is still 29th in the league in allowing scoring worst at stopping 3rd down worst in the red zone what youre seeing is just that the defensive roster has some talent now. that they are still ranked like that means the coaching is terrible

OK so why did Mr DC call so much predictable zone in the 4th quarter? And why did he not have Montez Sweat on the field when the game was on the line? Why are we 29th in the league in stopping teams from scoring? Why are we the worst team in the league on stopping teams on 3rd down? Why are we the worst in the league in the red zone? Eberflus is terrible. Terrible HC, terrible DC. It's not debateable anymore. The numbers aren't vague. Eberflus is a terrible DC. This same roster on defense is going to play SO much better for the next guy.

Just for the fun of it, here are the top 10 coaches of all time by winning percentage. 1 Guy Chamberlin .784 (coached the canton bulldogs in the 1920s) 2 John Madden .759 3 Vince Lombardi .738 4 George Allen .712 5 Jim Harbaugh .695 6 Tommy Hughlitt .694 (coached Buffalo in the 1920s) 7 Blanton Collier .691 (coached Cleveland in the 1960s) 8 Ray Flaherty .684 (coached Washington and the Giants in the 1940s) 9 George Halas .682 10 Don Shula .677 and the bottom 10 189 Marion Campbell .300 (coached PHI and ATL in the 70s and 80s) 190 Joe Bugel .300 (coached Arizona in the 90s) 191 Dave McGinnis .298 (coached Arizona in the 2000s) 192 Pat Shurmur .292 (coached CLE and PHI in the 2010s) ---- THIS IS WHERE EBERFLUS' 2023 .227 record is 193 Jimmy Phelan .271 (coached NY and DAL in the 1950s) 194 David Shula .268 (coached CIN in the 1990s) 195 Gus Bradley .226 (coached JAX in the 2010s) ---- THIS IS WHERE EBERFLUS' career .214 record is 196 Steve Spagnolo .212 (coached STL and NYG in the 2010s) 197 Hugh Jackson .205 (coached OAK and CLE in the 2010s) 198 Bert Bell .179 (coached PHI in the 1930s)

Dude. They keep losing games. They keep going into large prevent zones and losing games they should win. They are 29th in the league in opponent scoring. 30th in the league for opponents points per play. And we are dead last in the league in opponents 3rd down conversions. We are also the league worst in opponent red zone scoring. We are #2 against the run, but that's because we are in the mid 20s against the pass. Now I do believe that this defensive roster has talent, so youre gonna see some bright spots here and there, but Matt Eberflus is a clown not a coach. He is incredibly predictable, and it aint good. I get you're a nice guy, and you want to stick up for the team, but in this case, getting this loser as far away from the decision making of our team is what's best for this team. We shouldn't be sugar coating this any more. It's not about what he might pull out in the last couple of games, he is a total failure, and we have to move past him immediately after the season is over. This is as bad as it gets in the NFL. This guy is worse than Nagy. By the numbers he is the worst coach in Bears history, surpassing even Abe Gibron. In fact, while Matt Eberflus hasn't yet coached the requisite 40 games to make the list, his current .214 winning percentage would put him 4th to LAST of ALL NFL COACHES OF ALL TIME. Going back like 100 years!! Just FYI Jim Harbaugh is #6 all time on that list with .695. Matt Nagy is 85th at .523 There have been 198 coaches that coached at least 40 games in the NFL in history. Eberflus has coached 28 games. If you dont count last year, and be generous, he is .273 at 3-8, Each was against a low ranking team. One was against the worst team in the league. And it was CLOSE. (and as an aside Fields had nothing to do with 2 of the 3 wins!) And this year's record alone, .273 would put him 6th from the bottom of the list at #193 out of #198 coaches in the entire history of the NFL if it was his career numbers. Remember that's being nice and keeping last year out of it. Don't tell me the guy is good. It's nonsense. He is one of the worst in NFL history. Almost THE worst. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/

First off, the coaches HAVE to be gone. Anyone saying Flus is a good DC must be watching a different game than I did. Flus took a 98.4% chance to win and blew it in the most fearful and predictable way. Everyone knew it would be cover 2 on 1st and 2nd down. Everyone. I knew it a month ago. We all did. And then the Lions said "thank you for being predictable, we have plays to beat that" and we just watched it happen. Hell imagine if the vaunted cover 2 had given up 4 more yards against the Panthers before Pinero missed that 50+ yard field goal. No one can say at the beginning of the drive "my zone reliably gives up 60 yards but NOT 65" - it's idiocy. Also, Montez Sweat was on the sideline at the end of the game, because Eberflus believes in the rotation. Seriously. Sweat only played 65% of the snaps, meanwhile Aiden Hutchinson played 97% of his teams snaps. Are you mad yet? Do you think this clown is a qualified NFL ANYTHING? Assuming we have a new head coach next year, he will have input in keeping Fields or not. So will the scouting department's assessment of the QB options available. But you nailed it on the head, Adam - Fieldsball means a lot of QB runs. It means a lot of magical sidearm throws on the run. Neither of those things is sustainable. Run the ball 10 times a game all season, and you'll get your QB hurt. And if you need to have everything be chaotic before you can make a play that isnt sustainable either. I mean - who has Fields beaten? How common is it for Fields to win? When it's working Fields looks like a superhero overcoming incredible odds to make sportscenter highlight plays. But that cant be your regular plan. Because some games, you get sacked 8 times. It never looks like a calm QB who has the offense under control. Fields is an incredible athlete, but he is more of a point guard than a QB. You cant be a team who's core competency is wildcat and win regularly in the NFL. Fields' record is 6-26 (19%). He is 1-5 (17%) this year (not counting the loss to the Vikings). Bagent is 2-2 (also not counting the Vikings). And Bagent is a rookie future backup. I don't understand the optimism around Fields or Flus. Neither one of those guys is going to win a super bowl as a starter/head coach. Honestly, the only guy I think will reinvent himself into a winner in the future is Getsy. He's been terrible here. I dont know how much of that is Flus' direction. He makes a lot of bad choices, but i do also see what he is trying to do sometimes, and it seems like he has a brain in there, he just needs to gain more experience. It wouldnt shock me to see him great in 5 years. But it wont be here.

as long as they fire them in the offseason, so be it. But it sure is painful to watch.

he seems friendly, and un-threatening. He also seems like the kind of guy that would go along with political correctness, which I think is mutually exclusive with being a hard headed winner. I think this is just STILL the impact of the McCaskeys killing this team. HR probably LOVES the guy. How many super bowls has the HR department won?

Yes. He is a fraud. So were Nagy and Trestman. They're good talkers. Theyre SAFE from the point of view of Halas Hall. Win the HR trophy, lose on the field.

Matt Nagy?!

Ha Grizz! I have no answer for that question. I can tell you that at least one of the top four QBs (Williams, Maye, McCarthy, Penix etc) is going to be at least pretty good in the NFL. I don't know which one(s) it's going to be. Poles has a whole staff of scouts and such to give their opinions. And the pros often get it wrong too. I think you do all the research you can, and then rank them. If you have more than one tied or close to tied at the top, you trade down but only far enough to get to the last guy in your first group. If you have one as a cant miss, you can do what it takes - but that guy has to be grading out way over the others. Because at the end of this, you're taking a chance with a guy to develop. Their outcome isnt set in stone, a lot of it has to do with how you teach them, and who you put around them. And no one has a crystal ball. Im sure by draft time Ill have more opinions about this, but right now I havent seen enough to put a marker on any guy. What I can say is once I've seen a guy not be able to do it over a large enough sample size, then I know that pushing the "next" button is really the only choice you can make. You know about the guy youre moving on from - you have first hand in the building several years of working with someone, so as a GM you have your opinion, but you cant know much about the "next" guys. Those are lottery tickets, and sometimes they are even worse than what you had. But you have to keep "next"-ing until you find one that blossoms in your system.

It is possible that Poles has already determined that Flus is gone, but just doesn't see any benefit of bringing someone else in as a caretaker since there is no DC and the OC is worse than the HC. So while it is bad enough to have reached the decision point to fire him, it might make sense to wait for the end of the season to do it?

Im just saying, today, it wasnt so much Justin's fault. It was the coaching. He did a few of the things Ive been waiting to see, so I have to be fair and give him his due. But yeah, I dont want him going forward. I hope we can get some kind of trade value for him.

Fields definitely increased his trade value today.

Where is Yoko Ono when you need her?

its like you bought really high end groceries and Eberflus turned it into slop. He couldnt take those assets and put them together into a win. He will never be good.

we'd better have a 100% chance of a new coaching staff next year.

yup. Carolina lost, Giants winning. too bad arizona lost.

exactly. this isnt just a few bad decisions, this is sustained malpractice.

Fields fumbles.

not saying to do it today, but as long as he doesnt come back next year.

so can we fire Flus like you promised?

agree to disagree. been watching football a long time, seen cover 2 beaten in that exact spot hundreds of times.

I agree 100%