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I still think there’s hope for these two guys. Ridleys brother was who Pace wanted the year he ‘settled’ for Wims. Who did pretty well considering his background. And Riley I think hasn’t had much opportunity because a) they were determined to let Miller do well (aka prove themselves right) and b ) the QB issue. Maybe when the dust settles, Arob is traded and Miller is cut or whatever they and Mooney will be the only ones left(?)

Of course it’s “obvious and subjective” it all is. Who has given an expert analysis of Trubiksy that says he’ll be an HOF QB? Aside from Pace maybe. Is Mel Kiper an expert at predicting draft picks and their success? He sure gets paid like he is. Are his observations “obvious or subjective”? It’s well recorded the misses he’s made at his predictions; Harrington, Dave Carr and JeMarcus Russell among them. Talking football is all about analytics and supposition based on those statistics. Statistics are only as good as you want them to be, or as bad as they are. The point I made about Orlovsky is that he’s ‘been there done that’ and can lend some insight to the position much better than I or maybe you can. I didn’t say HE was good at the position just that he’s played it. I was thinking about what you said while watching highlights yesterday and looking at players like Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers and Murray. All QBs who are mobile and quite often don’t have their feet set while throwing. A few of them have been around awhile while a few others are more recent arrivals to the game. But their ability to throw on the run (not have their feet set) has been successful (so far) due to their being able to see more of the field and throw to open receivers. Something Trubisky lacks. The combination of him throwing non-effectual passes (short, long or mid-range) to his primary read every time is a recipe for failure. Lastly, Nagy was brought in largely to make Trubiksy a successful QB in his system. It’s well documented Fox didn’t want Trubiksy when he was drafted. Trubsikys failure to run Nagys system ultimately falls on Nagy and Paces shoulders.

This game pretty much caps how their season has been. Lots of potential at the beginning only to lose steam and peter out at the end. Last week the d mailed it in and didn’t do much better this week. Offense came to play...for once, until the end.

The lineman blocking the player who just caused the strip sack on Trubisky at the 5? Former 1st round draft pick Germain Ifedi.

Yep. And some help from the coach.

Is a neurosurgeon still a doctor if he/she graduates at the bottom of their class in medical school? Or an attorney if they graduate at the bottom of their class at Harvard Law? From the outset I said I was and have never been a fan of Orlovsky. To me his defining moment was when he unknowingly ran out of the back of the end zone. That being said, not only did he play in the NFL but four years of college ball in that position. Still his observation on that play is accurate for what’s illed Mitch for his career. And since this string is more about Nagy than Trubisky, this inability to ‘get ready’ in three years and with 5 weeks off to work on his skills is more on Nagy. Himself a college QB and IFL vet.

Amazing what happens when you play a lowly team like the Lions. But the oline does look pretty darn good today. Bars and Mustipher in there with Whitehair at LG and Ifedi bumped out to RT might be a good lineup going forward. Because of the positive oline play we’re seeing good running and solid fundamentally sound play by Trubisky. And maybe having Nagy not doing the play calling is helping too.

Skrine shows up to play.

What if someone like NE comes calling with a deal including one or two draft picks? I’m with you, I’d hope to keep Mitch around just for the sake of consistency.

Really the mechanics that Orlovsky talks about is spot on. Trubiskys been plagued with throwing on a bad base for most of his career. That’s why most of his mid-long range passes don’t hit their mark. He does exactly as Orlovsky says and doesn’t set his feet. If he did, he could have stepped into the throw with more force and accuracy. Cutler was the same way but he had more pure arm strength and could really send it, good base or not. Was it within Kmet’s ‘range or wingspan’? Yes. But as you suggest had he led him then he would’ve been more vulnerable to the turnover. Which is the other part of Trubiksys play. He locks onto players and only focuses on his first read; or does it a lot. In this same play he had a second and third option in Graham in the back right corner of the end zone and Mooney to his left with single coverage. Graham’s movement set him up for a post pattern to allow Trubiksy throw a toss to the back corner for him to try and get one on one; something he’s done for years. The other was Mooney who I believe was breaking right (towards Mitch) on a slant or dig and had broken open (at least it looks that way early in the play) with coverage trailing. Robinson was replicating that move in closer from the slot and had gotten the attention of Mooneys inside coverage. Lastly when you look at the line protection a small hole had broken open to Trubiksys left (Guard/Center) gap where he could’ve probably ran in or at least made a significant gain (although I don’t remember what down and distance it was at the time).

FWIW I hope you’re right.

Again not really a fan of Orlovskys...but he did play the position in the NFL. (Even if he did infamously run out of the back of the end zone). I think the point here is to add that not only is Nagy not able to coach ‘his guy’ but that despite being in the same system for a number of years AND having a few weeks to think about how he could get better and work on his mechanics, Trubiksy didn’t. We’d hope, given his position in the draft and title as future Franchise QB that at some point it would click. It hasn’t. We all know Foles isn’t ‘that guy’. I had hope early on he’d be able to at least get us through this year, but that was fleeting.

Although personally not a fan, Dan Orlovsky makes a pretty good breakdown of Trubisky here that should’ve been a score. The article that contained this tweet said the blame is simple mechanics and that Trubisky should’ve been able to fix it by now in the three years he’s been playing in this system and definitely tweaked things for the better after sitting on the bench these last five weeks. And that Nagy has failed him overall in making him a better QB.

Couldn’t agree more. Fox was the perfect caretaker for the teams transition at the time. Especially in hindsight. Also in hindsight he maybe should’ve been given a little bit longer.

I actually like the idea of a defensive minded coach being the next HC. Our try at Offense oriented guys doesn’t seem to work as of late; Trestman, Nagy. Defensive type head coaches tend to be more conservative in their preference of play calling. Which is boring but less prone to mistakes and more higher percentages of success. Of course that also all depends on who the OC is... To me Chicago football is ‘5 yards and a cloud of dust’ on offense and a totally dominant and kick ass take no names defense.

So thinking out loud, what if Denver decides to can Fangio? Would it make sense to entertain Vics return as HC? If you look back at the dream season a few years ago (Nagys first) the team was building momentum on a lot of what the defense was doing. Vic was carried over from when Fox was axed and following that awesome season and awesome defense he built, found his own HC gig. To me Vic is more of a Bear HC. He’s a bit surly and authoritative. Someone said recently that Pagano (my second choice) is too soft due to his not wanting to hold his players accountable. That seemed to ring true after last weekend. Vic wouldn’t put up with that. He might be just what the doctor ordered to get things pointed in the right direction. Or then there’s Jim Harbaugh...

Not all that long ago we discussed how bad Cutler was playing because the o-line wasn’t giving him time. Yet at that same time Rodgers was getting sacked and rushed with more frequency and still making plays.

Yes I know the officiating is almost always crap when in regards to the Bears. Not long before that horse-shit no call double face mask was the one where Rodgers got nudged by one of our defenders (can’t remember who) and received a ‘roughing the passer’ call because of it. Absolute bull shat. Something was up with Skrine. Saw him limping around early in the game then noticed Shelly in for a few plays. Presumably he’s the #2 NB. But before long Skrine was back out there, slipping and sliding and trailing all over the field.

To beat the Packers you need constant and relentless pressure. Plain and simple. Minnesota did it, TB did it and so did Indy. Once Rodgers is rattled he’s done. Whether it was Pagano not calling the plays or the multi-millionaire pass rushers that chose to stand there is beyond me.

Makes you wonder had the defense actually played what may have happened? Yes the three turnovers by Mitch didn’t help but neither did the Bears D.

That’s funny...I see what you did there! Lol!!!

Generally I'm not into the idea of rebuilding as that feeds into 'giving up' and that just seems like the easy way out. What I saw last night tells me all I need to know and that being our D appears to have given up besides our offense looking like hot garbage. I was out of the room for a few plays and my wife told me on one of the Packer scores two Bears defenders (she said #23 and #38) just stopped and put their hands up as opposed to trying to tackle whoever it was going in for the score. I saw enough on my own to think Nagy's lost the room. If that is what has occurred; F#*K them! If what Lucky put up is true (Nagy yelling at the team) then yeah, they're done. F*#k the whole mess and rebuild. It's not like we've wasted our collective times as fans and in the last 20-30 years seen more rebuilds than playoff appearances. We're pretty good at that.

I hate to say it but these are the games where Floyd seemed to play well. By the way, he’s got 7 sacks on the year. That’s 6 more than Quinn.

So who’s the backup to Skrine if he’s unable to go? Shelly or Vildor? I think I’d prefer to see what Vildor could do if I had to choose between the two.

Again I'm with Mongo on this (although last week that didn't work out so well). Anyhow...if Trubisky plays my only real issue with him will be his shoulder. I don't expect too much from him without the injury but knowing this is his second injury ... on his throwing shoulder... causes me concern. Obviously the Pack will know this too and regardless if its Trubisky or Foles in the backfield, Pettine will be pushing pressure all night long. I'm hoping the o-line is up to the challenge. I'll say it once and I'll say it again, if the Bears are able to corral Rodgers (with the D) they can win. Bucs did it a few weeks ago, the Vikings a week later and then Indy last week. The key to this win is the D putting pressure on Rodgers often. I agree that Pagano will need to come out of his comfort zone and not just send Mack and Quinn off the edges but deploy Smith nearly every down. Now that Danny T is playing a little better I'd just tell Smith to spy Rodgers the whole game and if he stays in the pocket, go get him.