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Although personally not a fan, Dan Orlovsky makes a pretty good breakdown of Trubisky here that should’ve been a score. The article that contained this tweet said the blame is simple mechanics and that Trubisky should’ve been able to fix it by now in the three years he’s been playing in this system and definitely tweaked things for the better after sitting on the bench these last five weeks. And that Nagy has failed him overall in making him a better QB.

Couldn’t agree more. Fox was the perfect caretaker for the teams transition at the time. Especially in hindsight. Also in hindsight he maybe should’ve been given a little bit longer.

I actually like the idea of a defensive minded coach being the next HC. Our try at Offense oriented guys doesn’t seem to work as of late; Trestman, Nagy. Defensive type head coaches tend to be more conservative in their preference of play calling. Which is boring but less prone to mistakes and more higher percentages of success. Of course that also all depends on who the OC is... To me Chicago football is ‘5 yards and a cloud of dust’ on offense and a totally dominant and kick ass take no names defense.

So thinking out loud, what if Denver decides to can Fangio? Would it make sense to entertain Vics return as HC? If you look back at the dream season a few years ago (Nagys first) the team was building momentum on a lot of what the defense was doing. Vic was carried over from when Fox was axed and following that awesome season and awesome defense he built, found his own HC gig. To me Vic is more of a Bear HC. He’s a bit surly and authoritative. Someone said recently that Pagano (my second choice) is too soft due to his not wanting to hold his players accountable. That seemed to ring true after last weekend. Vic wouldn’t put up with that. He might be just what the doctor ordered to get things pointed in the right direction. Or then there’s Jim Harbaugh...

Not all that long ago we discussed how bad Cutler was playing because the o-line wasn’t giving him time. Yet at that same time Rodgers was getting sacked and rushed with more frequency and still making plays.

Yes I know the officiating is almost always crap when in regards to the Bears. Not long before that horse-shit no call double face mask was the one where Rodgers got nudged by one of our defenders (can’t remember who) and received a ‘roughing the passer’ call because of it. Absolute bull shat. Something was up with Skrine. Saw him limping around early in the game then noticed Shelly in for a few plays. Presumably he’s the #2 NB. But before long Skrine was back out there, slipping and sliding and trailing all over the field.

To beat the Packers you need constant and relentless pressure. Plain and simple. Minnesota did it, TB did it and so did Indy. Once Rodgers is rattled he’s done. Whether it was Pagano not calling the plays or the multi-millionaire pass rushers that chose to stand there is beyond me.

Makes you wonder had the defense actually played what may have happened? Yes the three turnovers by Mitch didn’t help but neither did the Bears D.

That’s funny...I see what you did there! Lol!!!

Generally I'm not into the idea of rebuilding as that feeds into 'giving up' and that just seems like the easy way out. What I saw last night tells me all I need to know and that being our D appears to have given up besides our offense looking like hot garbage. I was out of the room for a few plays and my wife told me on one of the Packer scores two Bears defenders (she said #23 and #38) just stopped and put their hands up as opposed to trying to tackle whoever it was going in for the score. I saw enough on my own to think Nagy's lost the room. If that is what has occurred; F#*K them! If what Lucky put up is true (Nagy yelling at the team) then yeah, they're done. F*#k the whole mess and rebuild. It's not like we've wasted our collective times as fans and in the last 20-30 years seen more rebuilds than playoff appearances. We're pretty good at that.

I hate to say it but these are the games where Floyd seemed to play well. By the way, he’s got 7 sacks on the year. That’s 6 more than Quinn.

So who’s the backup to Skrine if he’s unable to go? Shelly or Vildor? I think I’d prefer to see what Vildor could do if I had to choose between the two.

Again I'm with Mongo on this (although last week that didn't work out so well). Anyhow...if Trubisky plays my only real issue with him will be his shoulder. I don't expect too much from him without the injury but knowing this is his second injury ... on his throwing shoulder... causes me concern. Obviously the Pack will know this too and regardless if its Trubisky or Foles in the backfield, Pettine will be pushing pressure all night long. I'm hoping the o-line is up to the challenge. I'll say it once and I'll say it again, if the Bears are able to corral Rodgers (with the D) they can win. Bucs did it a few weeks ago, the Vikings a week later and then Indy last week. The key to this win is the D putting pressure on Rodgers often. I agree that Pagano will need to come out of his comfort zone and not just send Mack and Quinn off the edges but deploy Smith nearly every down. Now that Danny T is playing a little better I'd just tell Smith to spy Rodgers the whole game and if he stays in the pocket, go get him.

Gotta think positive. We’re two games back from the division lead. There’s no guarantee that GB will win both games. They lost to TB (soundly) and Indy (barely) but the Bears beat TB and also lost to Indy - barely. Two years ago we were heading into the playoffs with a full head of steam and then ... double doink. A few years back the Steelers won the SB from the 6th seed so nothing is impossible. As Herm Edwards once said “You play to win the game”.

Hate to add to the dogpile but couldn’t help notice Jon Runyan(jr) is starting for GB. I know we talked about him last draft.

I hate ‘tank talk’ even if the Bears were 1-9 right now. It’s a defeatist attitude and I’m not wired that way - sorry. You must win at all cost; it ain’t over until it is. Sure the offense looks like garbage. But the defense is still playing to win...at least most of them are. Somewhere lost in all this is the effect COVID has had on the team. Out of the gate we lost a formidable force in Goldman and unfortunately Pace did nothing of note to fill that gap. Then as the season progressed and injuries came to a head the offensively offensive line was hit with not only injuries but players who tested positive to COVID. At one point they had three of their starters and at least 2 of their backups unavailable. Again that points to a depth (and preparedness) issue but still points as the main problem with Pace being where he is. Right now I’m not a fan of Nagys either but he’s playing with the hand he’s dealt. Sure he ain’t the best offensive mind out there but I have to believe between he and Lazor (who’s been in the league for how many years?) should be able to eek out a better offense than we’ve seen of late? Maybe after the bye and after some rest they’ll get their o-line back (such that it is) and start Trubisky for one last hurrah (and of desperation) and who knows? ALL the teams left on the schedule aren’t that good that they can’t be beat. Even you Adam said it early on, GB had their bye around week four (was it) and can’t run that long without hitting a pothole at some point.

Ha, Danny T is doing better (now) on pass coverage than Skrine. On nickel or dime cover they should keep Danny in before they leave Buster in.

They brought former #1 pick Deshone Kizer in for a workout this week. I remember many here, myself included, suggesting he would have been nice to see play in Chicago when he was in the draft. In an unfortunate twist of fate it wouldn’t be all that surprising the Bears have two former #1 picks at QB on the roster. Neither of which has been very good in the pros. https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2020/11/18/21574204/bears-deshone-kizer-tryout-quarterbacks-mitch-trubisky-nick-foles-injured-notre-dame-tyler-bray

All the more reason why now is probably the right time to make Pagano interim HC. He’s going to keep the defense at the level it is but offset that with sensible play calling on the offensive side. Whether it be he himself making those calls or someone more intune with how an offense should run, this is the best option right now. Pagano’s no dummy and has been around long enough to know who he needs to get the job done. I’d say let him use the rest of this season as a dress rehearsal. The worst he could do is not make the playoffs.

CP you are ridiculous!!!

Well said!

I’m with you on this.

They had a pretty tough time yesterday against 1-8 Jacksonville...while at home. And we saw what TB did to them a few weeks ago after they (TB) lost to Chicago the week before. This ain’t over.

The Bears could lose... that would be worse. In other news my question about Lamar Miller has been answered. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/11/15/bears-will-promote-lamar-miller-for-monday-night/

I like this with the team still 5-4 going into a more favorable part of the schedule. Ive always been a bit suspect of Lazor but I guess we’ll see Monday if he knows what he’s doing.