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Yeah I was curious about that. Watching the team last night I had a feeling many of them were still trying to win . I didn’t get a feeling that Brown has lost the room just that things were so messy after the breakup with Flus they haven’t been able to get back on track. Browns meteoric rise from pass coordinator (?) to HC in a few weeks would definitely take some getting used to. Doing so in real time I'm sure is mind boggling. I think even Aikman mentioned as much a few times last night. He said what Brown had to do was nearly impossible and he himself had two rough years (his rookie 0-11 season among them) before the right guy was in place to get it all right.

Curious what you think happened to the team from right before Flus was fired until now? They lost to GB, Minny and Det in three consecutive weeks by a combined score of 7 points. One of those games was played in Detroit. All three of those teams are poised to be in the playoffs. Flus gets fired and now they’ve lost to SF by 25 and Minny by 28 last night . What happened to all the genius moves that Poles made to get the roster as it currently is? I’m not being an a-hole, I’m genuinely curious . Many of the veteran players have been to a pro-bowl at least once. We have three of our most recent 1st round picks playing on offense; Williams, Odunze and Wright. On paper going into the season, this team looked stacked. Suddenly we have a wagon with no wheels.

Pretty sure he dropped the first 2pt conversion attempt.

Is there a way to have Brown go back to the box for the next game? He seemed to have a better control of the offense while up there. The offense really crapped the bed today. There were at least three significant drops by three different receivers early in the game; Moore, Allen and the Kmet on the 2 pt try. Odunze seemed to be the only one able to catch and both his TDs were not easy catches.

Another thought to my wanting him to be the front runner is IF he's able to competently lead the team during the heat of the battle and IF they continue to show improvement I'd think for the sake of consistency you'd be crazy to not let him try to continue next year. In my opinion the jury's still out on Williams but if he is to keep making the strides we've seen these last few weeks, there would be no better way to break that streak of confidence if you suddenly shift direction with a whole new scheme. I'm not necessarily a fan for a coach like Vrabel or Belichick simply because we've 'been there, done that' with a guy like John Fox. Belichick proved he didn't have IT as much as he once did when Brady left and Vrabel doesn't overwhelm me with his past coaching history. Why after three winning seasons in 2019-21 did he suddenly fall off and go 13-21 before being fired last year? I'm also not overly excited about Ben Johnson either. Lately the Bears are often too eager to jump on the next greatest whiz kid in Offense before being made to look foolish a year or two later (see Trestman, see Nagy). And not all that long ago everyone was excited for the next great Andy Reid prodigy, Eric Bieniemy. I had to look to see where he was these days; after being shown the door last year as Washington's OC he just got fired as UCLA's OC after they were ranked 126th in the FBS for scoring.

For now I like Brown as the front runner. I was skeptical when he was chosen to be OC as last year he did the same job in Carolina and they were crap. But since he became OC here, there's no denying how more effective the Offense has become. So far as the interim HC he's said the right things and like Mongo pointed out, played with a tenacity that I hope translates to tough and gritty football. Question is, is it more 'talk than walk'? I get Mike Tomlin vibes from the guy and I really believe (or want to anyhow) had he been the HC the last three games, the Bears would've probably won all three, or at least gone 2-1. Long story short, I'm more in the boat of seeing what we have before we start looking for solutions outside the house.

Sean Payton had Russell Wilson as his quarterback last year, and the Broncos looked abysmal. However, this season, Wilson has shown improvement, and the Steelers are undefeated with him as the starter. I wasn’t initially a fan of 5th- and 6th-year seniors entering the draft. However, considering the COVID years, it makes sense to factor that in. Players during this period dealt with unique challenges, and staying longer in college might have helped them mature. Peyton Manning is a great example; despite being a highly regarded prospect in his junior year, he chose to stay at Tennessee for his senior season, which undoubtedly helped refine his game. One of the reasons I liked Nix when he entered the draft was because his and Caleb Williams' stats were nearly identical in the Pac-12. On top of that, Nix had experience playing in the SEC at Auburn, which gave him exposure to better competition. There’s something to be said about taking that extra year to grow. Nix, with his added experience and nearly 1 year 9 month age difference compared to Williams, might suggest a correlation with future NFL success. Perhaps Williams path to success is only a short 1-ish year away?

No rumor here. He said it. Just can’t find the clip anywhere.

I saw a few weeks ago where Bill Cowher said he’d be interested in coaching the Bears if he was asked.

Yep. Been out for a bit. Big year of changes but I’ve been watching when I can.

Good thing we kept and used the 1st overall pick instead of trading it for a bevy of picks. 😒

Found an article that explains the NFL wants to keep the invitees to a minimum (no more than 15) to avoid anyone having to linger in the Green Room. So your list appears to be near complete. https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nfl-didnt-project-bo-nix-michael-penix-jr-among-top-15-to-20-selections

Eating and feeling my oats. ??

And I should add that if I’m wrong about Williams that means we’re winning “multiple super bowls” as you’ve guaranteed. So why wouldn’t I be happy about that? ??‍♂️

I see. So I should only “cherry-pick” all the positive stuff … even (as you say) if this analysis is accurate? You know having a separate viewpoint than your own is ok right? It’s what makes the world go around and TalkBears what it is. Or am I being too “inane”? “arguing against taking Walter Payton” …seriously?

So the projection on Williams remains to be seen in the NFL? "Holds the ball loose from his body, and ball security is a major concern (in the pocket and as a ball carrier)" "guilty of bypassing singles and doubles as he searches for home runs and asks too much of his offensive line (240 of his dropbacks the last two seasons lasted 4-plus seconds)" - One of the points AZ mentioned "can get stuck on reads too long, and eyes need to be more efficient and manipulative … pressure will speed up his process and lead to negative results(see 2023 Notre Dame tape)"

Speaking as a fan of trading the #1 overall allows him to choose more potential "blue chippers" than putting all in on the one "potential generational" pick. To me that's by far less risky. I'm seeing more and more people say they don't expect great things from Caleb in year one but should do better in year two. While also saying most of the other QB prospects need at least one year on the bench (etc) before they will see results. If what we hear and read is true and Poles and Waldron are building this great offensive machine, why couldn't any of the top 3-5 QBs succeed if they are also given that same year of growth?

His analysis of Fields in 2021. Who he had ranked 4th overall (at QB) after Trey Lance and Zach Wilson: STRENGTHS: Well-strapped together athlete who takes care of his body…moves with the fluid, composed feet of a former shortstop…shows a natural feel for timing, touch and accuracy on throws within structure…strong arm and shows the ability to drive the football, especially when he steps and torques through his hips…sturdy in the pocket…recognizes defensive back assignments and places the ball away from trouble on his throws…above-average stride speed and flashes a burst when he [7] tucks and runs…noteworthy toughness to finish through contact and play through pain (see the 2021 Sugar Bowl vs. Clemson)…even-keeled play personality and shows the same steady focus on each play…voted a 2020 team captain…self-assured competitor who inspires confidence in his teammates (Ohio State head coach Ryan Day: “The mindset of a young man of that age is so impressive”)…outstanding production at Ohio State with a career 67-to-9 touchdown-to-interception ratio with 19 rushing touchdowns…finished with a 20-2 record as the Buckeyes’ starter (only two losses came in the College Football Playoffs). WEAKNESSES: Undeveloped field vision…locks onto his preferred read and doesn’t consistently find his second and third options (sometimes by design)…needs to be quicker eliminating things post-snap…stares down reads and doesn’t play with a consistent sense of urgency…needs to be better taking what the defense gives him instead of forcing throws…his passes lose life when attempting to throw off-balance…ball security needs work: holds the ball loose in the pocket and as a runner (12 fumbles over the last two seasons)…needs to do a better job of avoiding hits…benefited from an all-star cast around him (both players and play-calling). SUMMARY: A two-year starter at Ohio State, Fields was one of college football’s best players the last two seasons in Day’s multiple spread offense. With Jake Fromm blocking him at Georgia, he transferred to Columbus in 2019 and needed only 21 games to reach No. 2 in Ohio State history in career passing touchdowns (67). He twice earned Big Ten Offensive Player of the Year honors. Fields has had the spotlight on him for a long time and he hasn’t wilted while displaying the confidence and competitive toughness that teammates rally behind. He shows excellent tempo when the play is on-schedule, but he must speed up his target-to-target progression reads and improve his urgency when the initial target is taken away. Overall, Fields’ decision-making is more methodical than spontaneous, but he has high-ceiling traits with his athleticism, accuracy and intangibles. He projects as a high-end NFL starter if he can quicken his reads and process.

Meanwhile JJ is going back to his college # for next season. Last time we saw this Jackson changed to #4…after getting an updated contract. ?

Just so you know you're not alone, I stand with you in solidarity. I'm all in on the idea of trading the #1 but not as sure on who the QB should be. Daniels is definitely a consideration. FWIW in friends that I talk with who know football (not necessarily Bears football) seem to all agree that Williams isn't the guy. So there are a few still out there.

It does appear Swifty is starting to buy into Caleb.

When you say "consensus pick" how does one qualify? You mention that neither Young nor Winston were "consensus" because in the case of Winston, he had Mariota picked right after him. In theory if Williams is picked #1 and Daniels is picked #2 would that title still apply to Williams? Secondly I'm intersted in how you broke up your tiers especially with Mayfield and Murray being in the same one (or third tier if I'm reading correctly). Both those guys, and Williams, having been products of the Lincoln Riley offense. In fact here's how they all did: Mayfield (three years at OU*): 808/1157 12,292 yds (69.8 pct) 10.6 YA 119 TDs 21 INTs 189.4 rating Murray (two years at OU**): 278/398 4,720 yds (69.8 pct) 11.9 YA 45 TDs 7 INTs 203.3 rating Williams (two years at USC): 599/888 8,170 yds (67.5 pct) 9.2 YA 72 TDs 10 INTs 169.2 rating * Riley was the OC/QB coach for OU from 2015-16 then HC starting in 2017 (overlap with Mayfield) ** Murray overlapped with Mayfield in 2017 (at OU) so his sample size is smaller as a starter for the one year he was (2018)

This was more as a "for example" especially how subjective (aka guessing game) this all is. Sure I get that RBs are "devalued" but apparently enough "experts" think highly enough of them to rate them based on their raw abilities. Similar to how last year you reminded us of how the volume of throws that Bagent while in college should be considered in how he would do in the NFL. Interestingly, the subjectiveness is enough that sites like Sporting News and CBS Sports (links below) both rank MHJ as the number one player available over Caleb. CBS Sports even goes a step further and ranks the positions overall in comparison to their group. For example: DE Khalid Duke for Kansas State is ranked #1 in the position but #262 overall on their "Big Board of 390 players available. Wouldn't it be something if Poles bought into the idea of MHJ being enough of a prospect that he'd go with him over Caleb? ? https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/nfl-draft-prospects-2024-top-100-rankings-best-players/9a5959cd101d2a8c439568a0 https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/

Interesting take, that is if you use PFF as any sort of reliable ranking. Their 'Top 300 picks' show RBs as low as #227 on their list with a rating of 94.9. Compare that to Roshon Johnson (picked #4 at 115 last season) held a PFF rating of "80+ all four seasons" Samples of this year's group at RB: PFF #71 Jaylen Wright - HB Tennessee Rating: 91.0 PFF #207 Frank Gore Jr - HB Southern Miss Rating: 88 PFF #227 Isaiah Davis - HB South Dakota State Rating: 94.9 https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2024-nfl-draft-profiles-top-200-draft-prospects

The one most intriguing to me is the Yale (OT?) kid. With him being Ivy League theres no doubt he’s not on anyone else’s radar but for some reason he strikes me as a ‘Poles’ pick. And that he was on the list early on is also telling.