Alaskan Grizzly

Not sure I would consider Justin a "bust" but evidently many do because they want to replace him with Williams: Fields collegiate career: 67-9 TD-IN ratio with 19 additional rushing TDs PCT: 69.2<67.2>70.2 Y/A: 8.4>9.2>9.3 QB Rating: 173.7>181.4<175.6 (some of these are better than Caleb’s). Taking into consideration (as you pointed out) the COVID shortened 2020 season where he played 8 games (his last year in college) And here's this (found a post on Reddit from a USC/Bears fan) with stats for their respective last seasons in college: Baker Mayfield: 285 comp 404 attempts 70.5 comp % 4627 yards 43 TDs 6 INTs 198.9 Rating Kyler Murray : 260 comp 377 attempts 69.0 comp % 4361 yards 42 TDs 7 INTs 199.2 Rating Caleb Williams : 333 comp 500 attempts 66.6 comp % 4537 yards 42 TDs 5 INTs 168.5 Rating (*this was from his second season where he won the Heisman. He actually regressed during this last season). What's the common denominator for all three? Here's another clue: Miller Moss played in place of Williams during the Holiday Bowl and had 23/33 for 372 yards with 6 TDS and 1 INT Maybe Moss will be the next "generational talent"?

Unfortunately i have to agree with you on this. I’ll go a step further and say we’ll regret it if we trade away Justin.

He’s been brought up before as a potential pickup for Chicago. I for one would be great with it. But would Minny want to trade him in the division?

Was making the playoffs one time a measure for success? Then if Murray makes it doesn’t Trubiksy? ??‍♂️ Yes I'm being indignant. Blame Denail Brewing Mother Ale. And that I tweaked my back a few days ago. lol.

I have questions. Do you mean by QB2 to mean QBs that are selected in the 1st round but #2 overall? And QB5s would be first round but later; Jackson #32 and Jones #15? When you say "hit rate" I would assume to the team they were drafted to? Love could still make the case to be a "hit" for GB as they did make it to the playoffs his first season. Just like Stroud could be considered a "miss" because like Love, although he made the playoffs they were out in early rounds. Richardson (Indy) is still too early to call since his rookie season was derailed by injury. And if you're simply referring to the player, then a case could be made for Mayfield finding a home in TB even though things didn't work out in Cleveland. Similar to Flacco finding a resurgence (but from the draft in 2008 and outside your parameters). Was Goff a "hit" for LA or as the player in Detroit?

DJ Moore, again. Talks about his choice for what to do at #1 (2:45) and what his feedback was for the exit interviews.

Merril Hoge’s take on Fields vs Williams. At 4:30 mark if it doesn’t start there.

Sure, but why more wins with Justin than with another QB? More resources around him?

And if that other QB turns out a flop?

Color me intrigued. ❓

Kay Adams interviews DJ Moore. Talk about Shane Waldron and Justin.

https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2024/02/08/bears-cole-kmet-broke-right-forearm-in-season-finale-but-kept-playing-anyway/

Sadly I think (our) Mongo is right. From what i read he’s been back home since early August where Jarrett Payton was seen visiting with him (below). McMichael’s wife Misty said she hopes he lives long for the ceremony but has already been working on his speech. And has managed so far to say “Thank you Chicago.”

I believe it’s dated from last February (2023). It was regarding last year’s #1 overall. Saw the same one yesterday.

Shannon (aka Mongo) struggles with what to do with Fields. I would agree that the least they could do, if they trade him, is to send him to Atlanta. With all the tools there AND it’s his hometown! Yikes.

Hey Mongo, looks like your namesake is making it in. Along with Peppers and Hester. How cool!

Well said. I would agree with just about all of it. I’d be willing to take MHJ overall just because that’s how talented I think he is. But because the team needs more overall pieces and capital I can’t overlook that aspect just to have him “at any cost”. Really for the same reason I can’t consider taking any of the prospective QBs at #1. I’m of the belief there is enough talent among the QB prospects that one of them could be had in the lower part of round one or early 2. And while doing so giving Justin a run for his money. Thank you for the great response. Much appreciated.

Williams' collegiate career rushing (3 years / 37 games): 289 attempts for 966 yards for 27 TDs Fields' collegiate career rushing (3 years / 34 games): 260 attempts for 1133 yards for 19 TDs. How is "holding the ball too long is that he continues to use his eyes to look downfield to make the pass..." different from what we've seen Justin do?

Sorry, should have added this was from August of '22.

Same thing different delivery. For some reason my phone doesn't always make the connection. Sometimes I'll submit a message only to see it didn't take. There's a lot of internets-webby stuff between Alaska and the rest of the world.

Evidently his “tell” is when he says “what he’s hearing” vs “what he thinks”. Exhibit A (from August of 2022):

Would you look at that. The big disparity in overall TDs appears to be in the "rushing TDs". Hmmm... ?

"Intriguing" indeed. Especially when you compare him to a QB who started for three years AND won the Heisman once and these were the comps. Hmm....?

My original answer didn't make it...hmm. QBR isn't something I'm well versed in. Its an ESPN schematic that I think factors in other things like rushing yardage, turnover percentages and a few other "scientific" factor points. Adam is much more adept at it than I. Anyhow, I didn't realize both were Juniors. And assume that Sanders is staying in Colorado for another year? What I find interesting is that they were both in the same Conference so they (mostly) had the same competition. I do recall you liking Sanders, so that should be my primary reason for dis-liking him. ?

Not trying to catch you in a contradiction at all. Just that if there are other coaches/GMs out there that would be willing to relinquish a #1 pick because they could fix him, what's to say Waldron couldn't? Would you have said the same about Geno Smith two years ago? Speaking of, Geno is a big question mark now in Seattle with both Pete Carrol and Waldron gone (according to some reading I did recently). We'll see if his performance was more his own or Waldron's doing. Assuming he makes it to the roster there next season. As far as my questions about Nagy and Getsy losing their jobs. You said they both lost their jobs BECAUSE of Justin. I only ask is it because they were great coordinators that couldn't make Justin work or not? Of the two, Nagy had better success than Getsy...IMHO. Regardless, I personally wouldn't rate them as two of the greatest offensive minded coaches in the league (strategically speaking). I' am keeping our conversation about football. There are a myriad of other subjects I could drone on about, but not football stuff. FWIW, I noticed that you have recently mentioned the idea of keeping Justin and drafting a QB to compete with him. That idea I like.