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Lol … catch 22

So far Williams (USC) has shown he’s challenged against better teams ans especially those who are ranked. How will that translate to the NFL? Probably not well.

I’d be curious to see stats on how players like Lamar, Mahomes and even Hurts do as “traditional (pocket passing) QBs versus their own version of “hero QBIng”. I saw a graphic the other day where had it not been for the “tush push” and the number of TDs it has generated for Hurts he’d essentially be Fields. We have seen what happens when Mahomes hasn’t had good receivers this year. And when his starting line isn’t available when he literally ran for his life during the SB he lost a few years ago.

If he throws four TDs regardless from the pocket, rolling out or scrambling that’s generally called ‘winning football’.

Fields and Lawrence are sorta trending similarly. Fields peaked about 15 games ago (which was higher than Lawrence at that point) and looks to have dropped the beginning of this season (plus lost four games to injury). The data shows Lawrence has 14 games on Justin and I would agree if he (Justin) wins out he be trending the same as Trevor.

Curious to see if they had a collegiate version of this. And how it translates from one to the other.

Curious where you found this graph? And can you plug any QB into it?

And if I get out of line my disclaimer is that my post was brought courtesy of whatever Whiskey I’m drinking. Which because I’m on vacation, I’m drinking my share. ?

Ah cmon man. Was just trying to offer some playful counter points. Obviously there are passionate pro Justin and not Justin camps that can make their points logically and otherwise. Until the decision is made this is how it’ll go. No harm no foul. This post brought to you courtesy of Legado Whiskey. ?

“So you’re saying there’s a chance?” So then because Justin was a 1st round pick and picked at the 11th spot he could be good because 81% do? ??‍♂️

As a friend of mine recently said, the ‘math ain’t mathin’ especially if you dive into some of the stats rather than just taking the raw numbers. (And by the way I thought the 75% thing was a Harvard study, not an Adam thing). Anyhow… If we look at just the current starting QBs I counted 17 maybe 18 starting QBs were 1st rounders. Thats closer to 50%. Of those a few are retreads like Goff (2nd team), Stafford (2nd team), Mayfield (3rd or 4th(?) team), Trubisky (temp starter? - 2nd team) and Winston although not a starter on his 2nd or 3rd team . A couple other 1st rounders were still waiting to see how they pan out; Herbert, Allen, Watson, Daniel and Mac Jones and Zach Wilson among them. These guys still leave a lot to be desired as in becoming “elite” and being picked first in gym class.

Houston won’t be around to help Carolina. -ouch-

I certainly would not say that. But I would say less skilled and/or qualified QBs have “won” SBs. Being “elite” doesn’t guarantee it. In his prime, how many SBs has Rodgers won? And of the current “elite” QBs they all have flaws. Turned out Herbert currently leads all QBs in batted down passes, Josh Allen and Hurts lead NFL QBs in fumbles, Hurts also is near the top of the league in getting sacked (oddly because he plays a lot like Justin). Wonder what the difference is in their respective teams’ success? ?

I had actually thought the same thing last week. Imagine the trade value for Justin if that were to happen?! ??

Well said PB! Welcome back to the fray. Good to “see” you again.

Mods…we need an intervention. This post brought to you courtesy of Angels Envy. ?

This I could co-sign on. Although I’m thinking players like Penix or McCarthy could be had in the 2nd round .

I’ll be in the area coming up in a few weeks. Visiting daughter in Northern Cali. But possibly taking a road trip to Tempe to check out ASU for younger kid. Hoping for good weather. This post courtesy of Angel’s Envy. ?

Source? According to the link below, all these guys were the “first overall pick at QB” since 1967. Of the 20 listed not even 50% are what I would consider “elite”. https://www.nfl.com/photos/qbs-drafted-no-1-overall-in-modern-era-power-rankings-0ap3000000501596#e2fc2dd6-66fc-4f6a-859e-9a3f15edd565

Because I’m curious, of the current NFL rosters who do you consider “elite”? And are all “10” still playing?

I didn't take that at all. He was saying that there was immense pressure on Fields most of the game and the oline was unable to protect him from that constant pressure. And then commented on how difficult it is (for any QB) to throw the ball to where they think the receiver is in the face of that pressure. They quoted Justin saying as much when he said he didn't want to "guess" where the receivers were when he couldn't see them. Warner said that Cleveland's defense (currently ranked #1 overall) makes it difficult for many QBs to succeed. As far as "taking it (the running) away from him" how do you mean? My "eye test" tells me of several of the designed (or even scrambling) plays for running, Justin has gained yards ... and some cases 1st downs more often than he hasn't. The sacks we're seeing, especially against Cleveland, were a result of a collapsing pocket around him.

I'm not questioning whether they exist or are authentic...just who they are. Was one of them recently fired Raiders GM Dave Ziegler? Or maybe former Chargers GM Tom Telesco? The fact they "remain anonymous" should tell you something. Another of my "favorite" Fields detractors is former GM Mike Tannenbaum. The same yutz who drafted players like Mark "Butt Fumble" Sanchez in the first round. I don't lend a lot of creedence to "experts" that don't show consistent success in the job they are paid to do. Like how I can't believe Mel Kiper is still in business as a "Draft Expert". At any rate...I digress. If a player, past or present, comments on a player and uses their own name and likeness, then we should probably pay attention.

Who were these '7 GMs'? Did they answer on "condition of anonymity"? DJ Moore was (once again) asked about Justin Fields and reiterated what he said last week.

I'm wondering when Justin would be more valuable to another team? At the end of this season or next year (if) when the Bears draft another QB to compete against him? (If they choose the path you suggest? Of which I am in agreement with by the way).

Then "who" replaces Fields? And what circumstance makes that pick the next (first?) generational QB the Bears have needed all this time? So far history shows the Bears can't and won't get it right... Jimmy G was the 9'ers QB in 2019 and they went 13-3 that year and in 2021 (the year before Purdy was drafted) they went 10-7 with Garoppolo and Lance as the QBs.