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Turner wasn't speaking about any one particular player, especially, the QB. That's the difference. I'm sure they have all evaluated the season by now and placed a stamp on the path forward. JA was just lighting fires and blowing smoke. The whole DM thing... I can only pray he's not serious.

Love that post! 100% spot on. As far as a disconnect with JA and Turner, I really don't see it. Remember, we can't believe a thing we hear from the coaches and GM this time of year. Another point would be that coaches are never going to let on anything but confidence in their players, especially important with the QB position. Lovie and Turner are saying the right things.

That would fit the Bill Polian mold. I would love for JA to be more Polian-esque. It helps keep the cost of the Colts defense down, while pipelining them with fresh bodies. However, Polian throws in a lot of high picks on offense, with the majority going to D. Where JA beats Polian is that we always have money to sign our own and free agents. That's another hot button topic.

My Dad always said "you wish in one and shit in the other and see which one fills up 1st". No way he gets a new deal this year. I wouldn't feel that way if he were starting material. IE: Des Clark

I'll take the one of the two that has no drops, blocks well and converts the most 3rd downs.

If Oher falls to us, I would not be able to contain my excitement. Not only would he be a great RT, he would be valuable insurance if Williams falters. With that excitement comes great concern, because I don't want an OT that takes plays off, as that will be gameplanned against. Our QB and RB are way too valuable and that will wreck them both in the NFL. Next I would take Vontae Davis. If he could break even with Tillman, we could move Tillman to FS and still have money to sign Peppers and an OT. I have been and will stay on the "Tillman to safety" bandwagon, as he'll have more opportunity to make plays on the ball.

Here's where I made that comment... HERE’S A “REAL” ALL-PRO TEAM Posted by Mike Florio on January 16, 2009, 4:58 p.m. We’ve been complaining a lot lately about the manner in which the AP postseason awards are regarded as the gospel truth. So instead of continuing to complain about that (we’ve moved on to bigger windmills made of sturdier materials), we’ll instead offer a more reliable and credible All-Pro team. Courtesy of our friends at Sporting News. The Sporting News All-Pro team was compiled not based on 50 reporters and broadcasters who might think that James Harrison is an inside linebacker or that Chris Johnson is worthy of being the MVP but not one of the best two running backs in the game. Instead, Sporting News relied on the votes of 664 players, coaches, and General Managers. The list is right here. http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=507783

I am amazed at the broad range of players that our board has chosen. These are type of responses that inspire hope. Can one position coach make that much of a difference. I guess it depends on how bad the predecessor was. I also like the Sapp connection. It always helps when a HOF caliber player comes in and lends a hand.

You know JA made the QB comment. Now, he is clarifying with support of Orton. That leads me to the mind game. Since we already know the Queens are going hell bent for a QB this off-season. Is JA setting up a bidding war so the Queens will run out and overspend for a QB? Kinda like a bluff in poker... Even though the Queens get their guy, they also get a strained cap for other needs. Hell, I'd do it. I still see us going after backup, but a stud seems outta line due to our support players not being up to snuff.

Man, I bet Carolinas' staff feels like they are getting punched in the nads repeatedly. Could you imagine having the best DE and LT in football and knowing you were going to lose one of them? LOL

I would love to add Julius Peppers. We would have the best DL in the league. We would have to cut Brown or Ogun. If our D is predicated on the pass rush from the front four, there would be no excuses. That would make it easier for us to focus on DB, WR and OL in the draft.

#54 I know the spirit of the question was intended for DL, but... So, I'll go out on a limb and say Wale. He's in a contract year and Harris and Harrison are going to free him up more. Plus, I see the ends rushing more to the inside than last year.

Just in case some idiot posts a "what about Gruden" post.

I think Derek Anderson killed Cassels' chance of getting a big trade offer. He did well considering the circumstance in which he had to take over. But, he did take the reigns of the most prolific offense in NFL history. He's such a gamble, I do agree with your wanting to give a 3rd and 6th for him. However, there is no way the Patriots let him go for that this year. Especially with not knowing the status of Brady.

Hell no! He is the biggest locker room, sideline, podium and back yard cancer any team has ever seen. He would absolutely destroy our team chemistry. When TO comes to town, plan on going downhill soon after.

I think Lovie has either thrown himself into the accountability mix or has been thrown in by Angelo. Babich has been demoted without losing his title. We don't need tar and feathers at this point. I share the same confidence in Lovie as you do. Finally Lovie has placed his head on the block. Next year is ake or break for him.

If he came in and worked his ass off, I'd love to have him. His motion has a little windup in it, but his velocity and accuracy have always off-set that. Back to the main knock on him - work ethic. If JA is convinced he will bust his ass and offers him a contract with incentives, I am all for it.

The bold part is what a lot of people argued last year as the main reason to bite the bullet and sign him. If for only a stop gap until we got some talent in here. Letting him go made the cupboard bare.

Not really a fan of his

Two things: 1st - I blame the players and coaches for our D-line performance. Their decline is not age or injury related. I really think our D is arrogant and the staff has not been able to reach them. Absolutely a two fold problem. 2nd - Do you think Harris and any DE we have, has the natural talent of Sapp and Rice? IMO - all NFL players have ability, but some are just freaks with talent beyond compare. Honing that talent is a different story.(see Alonzo Spellman)

I agree it's a step in the right direction. But, still think the whole coaching exodus was mishandled. I still blame Lovie and will until proven otherwise. I agree that he cover two may not be dead. I look at the Colts and see what they do with massive losses at D every year. Every year people in Indy wonder what they are going to with without player X. They always seem to find a player. I think the Colts are also the most disproportionate team in terms of payroll in the NFL. I think around 65%+ of the money is offense. Our defense as individuals seem to rely on a false sense of greatness, leading our team to believe it can turn it on at will. Problem is, they are so far removed from the greatness that got them to that point, they are lost. The first step for our defenders is humility and the understanding they are not better without the effort and desire. Our D is still relatively young and able to overcome themselves. As far as coaching is concerned, Marinelli seems ego-less and as close to ground zero as you can get. That is a start. Maybe they can all resurrect their careers together.

How good would Gage, Berrian and Hester look as a trio? Perfect combo.

Just sayin...

That D-line had Sapp, McFarland and Rice. Our only one that is remotely close is Harris. And he is no Sapp. Not knocking the post. I just don't want us to have false hope that Marinelli is the answer to what ails our D. I do agree, he's a good coach and a step up from what we had.

I think Bobby just wants his name in the paper to re-visit glory days. Tebow has a horrible throwing motion. Combine that with his size and speed being negated by NFL standards, he will not make it at QB. TE or fullback could make him a star though.