BearFan2000

Was thinking this too they made no adjustments. It’s like they had one game plan and just kept trying to follow it no matter what Tampa was doing. Some of it I think as they got further behind was Mahomes trying to play the hero. Rather than take what the defense gives you. With the pressure they were getting. They should have called more plays to get tha ball out quicker not ask Mahomes to drop back deep and wait for something to open up. They should have done more with screens to make Tampa pay for their aggressive rush. KC has had many big comebacks and I feel like that is in part like comebacks we had during the early part of our season. The defenses go into more of a prevent. And suddenly their offense looks on fire and they play off momentum. Where I give props to Tampa is they didn’t let off the gas on defense and allow the Chiefs back into the game. I hate watching teams build a lead then go into prevent hoping to ride their lead to a win. For once I saw a defense keep fighting to the end.

My first gut reaction to the thought of trading for Wentz made me sick to my stomach but as I've read through this thread, some of my feelings about a move like this are tainted by recency bias. 2020 was a bad year for Wentz and the Eagles, just like we often say one good game doesn't make a season or one good year doesn't make a career, one bad season should be taken with the same grain of salt. The more I read here and the more I think about it the more sense it makes. If we are getting him on basically a 1 year deal and can cut him without any hit if things don't work out and we clean house after 2021. Then you aren't saddling a new GM/Coach with a QB they don't want. Any trade that involves us giving up Foles, and Miller, and this years #20, for Wentz and not having to give up future draft picks is as close to a win as you can get. Maybe we can throw in Wims to help negotiate a higher return pick. I've gone from no way do I want to trade for Wentz to thinking this could work. Especially if it allows us to keep ARob at least in 2021. I know he would not be happy about being tagged, but, perhaps if it's done with the intent to work out a longer term deal that works for him and the team. Then you go into 2022, possibly with a new coach, new gm, stud WR, all of the 2022 draft capitol, and if we are able to address the line, then you have a shot at going for a franchise QB.

And that is why it won't matter who's behind center if we never fix the OL. No consistent run game, no time to throw, etc. Mahomes was running for his life most of the night, they could never get the run game going. They became one dimensional and Tampa could just tee off. Could have had more picks as several times while running for his life he just wings it somewhere hoping something good happens. It proves it's not a one man show. Mahomes is talented but I've never felt he was as good as all the hype, he's been in a system that meshes well with his skills. Losing two of their OL in the playoff run definitely hurt, and Tampa's front 7 is legit. It was a recipe for disaster. He wouldn't fare any better here had we drafted him. And at this point we'd probably be talking about him as a bust just like Mitch. Football starts in the trenches, fix the OL then look for your franchise QB. Otherwise it's like putting a new set of tires on a car that don't run.

KC killing themselves with dumb penalties.

I can honestly say I’m neutral in this on. If it were GB I’d be rooting for a KC blowout. Should be a good game.

Reminds me Tarik with better field vision.

With pace anything's possible he could even trade up to take a QB or player that would have otherwise been there at 20, etc. Only given with Pace is there will be some head scratching selections.

It's been reported that the Texans have named their price tag and it's steep. Two first rounders, two second rounders, and two young defensive starters, as a starting point. I'd say look elsewhere. 2021 is likely a throw away season, for the future of our team we'd be better served finding a more reasonably priced free agent or trade target. It wouldn't serve the short or long term to mortgage even more of the future for a top tier QB than not be able to afford to surround him with anything. I don't see any way that Pace/Nagy salvage this team and their jobs beyond 2021. Last thing I want to see is Pace swing for the fences (especially with his batting average) and cripple the team's cap situation and future draft capitol leaving the next GM a huge hole to dig out of. Or should I say a deeper hole than the new GM will have to as it is. My fear is Pace will more short term focused rather than long term. We are more than a QB away, and likely more than a season away from seriously competing. What I'd rather see us do while painful, would be go into next season with Foles, draft pick developmental QB, FA, and spend the remainder of the draft capitol addressing the OL, WR, and defensive holes created by players lost. Perhaps we can find a trade partner to unload Foles in some kind of package deal that either nets us a QB so we go into the season with two FA QB's and a draft pick. I feel we need to play the hand we have which isn't very good and not steal from the future to bandaid the broken present.

Not sure this is legit. I see articles like this all the time about some artist coming up with new helmet designs for all 32 teams. 90% of them are pure garbage concepts. I don’t see the Bears changing their helmets any time soon.

The thought of Stafford coming was interesting but would the results be any better here than Detroit? Sure it’s an upgrade at QB, but we don’t have the talent around him or the line to block for him and we’d be giving up draft capitol needed to remedy that. This trade works for both teams. LA is in win now mode. They have a run game, receiving weapons, and a solid line. Adding Stafford is a big upgrade at QB. And Stafford is finally free of the NFL purgatory that is the Lions. For Detroit the are amassing draft capitol for their new GM and HC to remake the Lions. It’s an enviable position. Im warming up to the idea of Watson but at the same time I feel it would put us in the same or worse position than had we made a similar trade for Stafford. For us it would be trading Foles and other players and picks for Watson. With all the players we will be losing this year already. Watson will be a major upgrade at QB but in a gutted team with limited draft capitol.

Packer fans are blaming the refs. It’s classic. They are so used to getting help from the zebras.

Love seeing that Rodgers frown. lol surpride they didn’t go for it at the 8. Packer fans will be roasting LaFleur.

Agree 100%, if you pay the steep price of bringing in Watson and your left with nothing around him, what good did it do. His talent would be wasted. The bold part was just painful to read that was a sad time reading all those names brings back bad memories. The way to fix the Bears on offense is to start with the line, if you can't protect your QB he's not going to stay upright and by extension won't matter who he'd be throwing to from the ground.

At this point we've got a better shot at a high draft pick next year and blowing it all up than we do of turning this team around and having a better product on the field. Whoever we bring in is likely just a one year deal anyway. That alone limit's who'd want to come in under a lame duck HC and GM. I think it'd be a stretch for Singletary who's never been a DC and only ever been a LB's coach or defensive assistant. But if you're going to go out on a limb on a hire, this would be the season to take a chance on someone. With Rodgers leaving there goes our best internal hire.

That is an interesting thought. Proper talking technique hasn't been a theme here. No matter how much talent you have if you don't do the fundamentals it won't matter. If a guy like Kris can come in and teach our guys good fundamental habits that could payoff down the road beyond next year should a house cleaning happen. It will be tough to convince an outside guy to come in when nothing's guaranteed beyond 2021. I would be good with Rodgers. Wade Phillips would be a good hire too and with our situation I don't see his age being an issue. One way of looking at it is expectations for next year are low anyway so there's some freedom to get creative and try to find someone who can get the most out of who we have on the roster when next season starts.

I don't think you can trade a Arob if you tag him. Since he's technically playing under the tag and not an actual contract. I could be wrong.

hit the nail on the head. We keep hiring and drafting on Potential. We draft athletes, not players hoping they will become players. We moved up in the second to draft Miller and he's been outshined by Moony who we took in the 5th round. Wims was a 7th round throwaway pick. It's part of the "smartest" man in the room syndrome. We think we're being clever picking guys merely based on potential and measurables. We get small school guys or guys who've not really proven anything of substance at college, but, hey they are athletes. It's like we only see the possible good or we're just blinded by our vision of what they can become and ignore the actual resume.

Just don't bring him in when the down and distance is 5 yards or less, the result will be an offsides and a free first down

Second that. Hard to state it any clearer. Bears D is given too much credit for being good in the red zone while getting torched between the 20's but it absolutely has in large part to do with the shrinking field. Further evidence is when we give up a red zone TD it often looks stupid easy. This is why it's hard to have any confidence in the D to come up with stops despite the supposed talent. I feel like Lovie's D was better than this crap but that might be recency bias. At the end of the day when your D relies on bend but don't break sooner or later it will break and get ugly. Coupled with our offense a one possession deficit feels insurmountable.

This is like picking which piece of roadkill looks most appetizing... I'd probably lean towards 3. 10.5 mil dead space on an already cap strapped team means Foles is likely back. I would like (hopefully someone other than Pace) use a high pick on a QB. I would not like to spend two draft picks on QB in the upcoming draft. Pick up an UDFA QB to take a flier on as a backup sure. We have too many other needs to spend 2 of our limited picks at one position. Other than Foles and a high pick, we'll want to go FA for either a backup or to compete with Foles to see who starts the season as a bridge QB. Could that be Mitch(option 1)? Only way I'd bring Mitch back would be on a team friendly deal as a backup. I don't know if Mitch is self aware enough to realize he's not a starting caliber QB in the NFL. If he think's he's a starter, I'd say good luck elsewhere. I could see, keeping Foles as a backup, the high round rookie, and another vet FA brought in to be the bridge QB. When the new kid's ready to take over the bridge QB competes with Foles for the backup spot.

Definitely should be the new GM's choice. If for some reason he decides to keep Nagy and this staff that's his prerogative, I just don't want to see us saddle a new GM by saying you must keep Naggy. The new GM needs to have control of the roster and staff or your just tying his hands.

Oh for sure. lack of discipline we've seen on this team whether it's players being regularly out of position or letting an opponent bait you into doing something stupid after the play. This all goes back to coaching and like you said a good coach would take that opportunity to make it a point of emphasis after the Wims incident (which he should have been cut for). The coach has to make it clear to his players to play above this crap and that reacting this way will not be acceptable. Some guys though like Miller and Wims seem to be hot heads and easily baited and thus need be let go. They have hurt this team. I get your passionate but you still have to play under control.

This also says something about the guy who's instigating it. It's still dumb and inexcusable for Miller and Wims to react that way and shows lack of discipline. Same thing happened to Kmet in the same game after the play their player was jawing at him and the ref assumed when Kmet was tossing the ball to the ref that Kmet was throwing it at that player and gives him a bogus personal foul. I don't know if it was the same DB or not but. There are players that like to egg you on and then act all innocent when the other guy reacts. Again that doesn't excuse Miller and Wims. both seem to be quick to lose their cool making them easy targets.

If Pace is gone the new GM must be able to hire his own HC. Forcing a new GM to keep an ineffective coach and staff severely hinders the GM search setting up the inevitable next rebuild. The only situation where this would even make sense is if you have great coach and staff but a piss poor GM that is clearly holding the team back. Here everyone from top down is hindering this team. At the very least you fire Pace, and the new GM gets to decide if he wants to keep Nagy and his staff or start fresh with his guy. Idealy I want it all gone, Teddy, Pace, Naggy, all the way down to the water boy. Purge the heck out of this organization. Sad reality is whoever is running the show after this season will have a steep uphill climb to remaking this team into a consistent winner. We have some good young talent on the team but need to cut the dead weight. We've highly invested in the defensive side of the ball but when you watch the games it doesn't show. Guys out of position, not tackling, high paid pass rushers getting little or no pressure. With the money we spent and the supposed talent we have in our front 7 we should be harassing QB's on the regular, yet we don't. It starts up front if you can't get home your secondary gets exposed because they have hold their coverages longer. On offense we are limited by talent at QB, OL, and WR.

Hard to say what the next GM will do if we do in fact have a different one. We're accustomed to how Pace and previous GM's have approached the draft. Here's hoping we get a new GM and that GM doesn't suffer from the same "smartest guy in the room" syndrome and can actually look at the draft objectively and actually utilize it to address needs. But, like NYC said a new GM may need a year without expectations as he will have his work cut out for him, and it may take a season to see what a new coaching staff needs from a roster instruction standpoint. I really we get this right, it gets tiring to blow everything up every 3-5 years and start over. But reality is we aren't alone in the pattern there are many other teams that have the same problem. We need to become one of those teams that has a good structure in place and are consistently good year to year. I'm tired of watching my team peak ever few years or so and give you hope just to turn back into a pumpkin after midnight.