BearFan2000

Pass for many of the reasons previously mentioned. 3 years removed from the NFL, 32 years old, sub 500 starter last time he did play and got benched, opted out of his 49ers contract, cried foul when no one showed interest, he was a huge distraction as a player, that hasn't changed since he last played. He's turned down contract offers, and seems to think he's worth somewhere in the area of 20 mil a year (no one's going to give him that). I agree with Mogo, his priority is not football he seems more interested in portraying himself as a victim. Politics and SJW stuff aside he's not worth it. I was listening to the Score not long ago and had to shut it off, don't know who the host was but he was railing on the Bears for not sending someone there and passing on a starter quality QB. Implying that by not sending someone to this "tryout" is admitting they don't care. He tried to make it sound like Kaep would be great fit and how good of a QB he is, yada yada. If he was/is as good a QB as so many claim he is, and if he was as desperate to play in the NFL as he claims he is, he'd be on a team.

We know Whitehair is capable of playing better (ie clean snaps) as he gets more reps in practice and game snaps this should get cleaned up. Why the change was made this offseason is a head scratcher, as he performed well there last year the move created issues at two positions. Regardless of why, and the timing of switching them back, can't change the past but this move can't hurt. He does need to clean up the bad snaps, so much is timing based and when your QB has to take his eyes off the play to secure the ball after the snap, be it low, dribbled, high etc. I feel like we've done things that have not helped Mitch build on last year, whether it's switching up his center, telling him not to run, not using the run game to elevate pressure, etc. Not that that absolves Mitch for his regression. A top tier QB or even a second tier QB can overcome those things and at the very least perform at a higher level than we've seen from Mitch. Up till that TD drive to end the first half against the Lions he just didn't look right, hasn't looked right for much of the year, you can see it in his eyes he was not having fun, not playing lose, or confident. He looked like a QB playing scared. From that drive on he looked more himself like he was having fun, and looked more confident. Will he build on that, or will go back into his shell. Just as important as the comfort between Whitehair and Mitch is getting the run game going by actually opening holes. Hard to run when your getting hit before you reach the line. We are losing the battle for the line of scrimmage on offense and that is one of the key reasons for the struggles we've seen.

I agree and it's easy to point to things like this. Club Dub wasn't even a thing till they started getting on a roll and winning. In order to do things like that you have to earn it on the field and they were by winning so I had no problem with that as it seemed to help motivate them to keep winning. When they are in their proper place and perspective those things aren't wrong and gave the team a personality and a swagger. But this year things like that should be the last thing on their mind and would be highly inappropriate like celebrating a sack when your getting blown out. At 3-4 we look like a team that just assumed it would take the next step and walk into the season and dominate. Last years success I feel made the team a bit arrogant and stumbling out of the gate is probably the last thing they expected. They look frustrated, and lost. What they need to do is get back to the basics do the little things, put in the work and rediscover your identity. Cut the crap and figure out how to get refocused. Easier said than done but there is way too much talent on this team to be playing this poorly in nearly every aspect. You can't truly start heal till you stop the bleeding. If that means simplifying till you find what works and build on that. Last year was last year that won't help you this year. Part of going from a team struggling to win year in and year out is learning how to maintain success year to year. Perennial playoff teams know how to do this, and self correct when they start slow. We had one good season last year but you can't get satisfied and assume that will just continue without putting in extra effort to reach higher. It's hard to watch as a fan that had high expectations of possibly seeing the Bears in the running for a SB to watch this mess of a team. Playoffs which we thought would be a given this year, seem less and less likely. I hated hearing pundits/"experts" pick us to be the playoff team to miss this year, thinking, it's just the usual hate/disrespect we've come to expect. Playoffs could still happen, teams have recovered from starts like this, the talent is there, but they've dug a hole for themselves. Outside of a monumental stumble within the division our best hope would be a wildcard spot. The way the rest of this season plays out has far more reaching impact potential than playoffs this season, either positively or negatively. If we can right the ship this season whether or not that is enough to make the post season this year it at least gives hope going into next year. If we can't things could get ugly fast. Either way they've got their work cut out for them can they regroup? I don't know, but the status quo is not going to cut it. Time for a serious gut check, and honest look in the mirror. They have no one to blame but themselves.

These kinds of plays and his comments about trying to be a pass first QB gives fuel to the theory that he's being told not to run but rather throw first. I also wonder if in his thinking he wants to make every play a big play rather than take what the defense gives you. If what they give you is easy 5-7 yard completions, take it and force them to take that away to open up the deep stuff. If they don't take it away tthey are giving up a first down every 2-3 plays which either lets you avoid 3rd down or have 3rd and short. He has to be aware of the noise from fans/media alike about our offense's woes and hearing about Mahome's and Watson, etc. The pressure has to be there wether he admits it or not. Sometimes that pressure can lead to overthinking and trying too hard rather than take advantage of what each play gives you, and if it's not there scramble and throw the ball away and live to fight another down. If he's being told to not run you take away a big part of his game. He's proven he can be a threat when he takes off, when teams no longer fear that they sit in coverage and let their D-line get after him. He's not a pure pocket passer don't try to make him what he's not. He looks neutered back there. Besides with our offensive line, forcing your QB to be a statue is asking for trouble. A good OC does what he can to call and design plays to take advantage of what his players do well, while masking or negating what they don't do well. Here it seems to be the square peg in a round hole syndrome. That doesn't absolve Mitch's inability to see open receivers and hold the ball too long. Hard to say if he's trying to hard to make big plays and hoping ARob will eventually be open and ignoring the easier shorter options because he's looking for the home run. At some point you have to realize it's better to focus first on getting men on bases before swinging for the fence.

Their scam works because with a HOF QB in Brady, these backups rarely see the field and yet when they do the system has been run for so long and run so well that these backups look great in limited action, so they can sell a turd for the price of gold. Thus far only Garoppolo has seemed to pan out. The rest have turned out to be fools Gold. As long as Brady keeps playing they'll be able to upsell backups to desperate teams.

I wouldn't be surprised if we lost hicks for the season, that injury looked gruesome. Hope I'm wrong but either way next man up. Other guys will have to step up their game to compensate.

this 100% it was irritating to watch Jacobs mostly untouched till he was in the second level and then watch Montgomery get mugged the second he gets the handoff. Our line is sad at best, it makes it hard to truly evaluate the skill positions.

I agree, the D has been the bright spot for the team. The game in London it's like we were watching a different team. Couldn't tackle, couldn't cover, couldn't get pressure, couldn't touch the RB till he was in the second level. They looked unprepared to play, perhaps they should have done what the Raiders did in flying the team out earlier and having them acclimated, they looked sluggish and out of sync. It wasn't till an unforced miscue by the Raiders offense that they started making some plays. In the 5 games we've played thus far it has more often been the offense that has let this team down, it's hard to play lights out D all game long trying to keep us in the game. It wears on you at some point. Perhaps that too is part of the issue of star players on our D like Mack fading in the 4th, as they are gassed trying to keep the team in the game till the offense does something. Considering the season thus far this game looks more like the exception than the rule. Now if they come out and play like this again and it starts to be a pattern then then I'll be concerned.

It is natural to wonder in the absence of facts, whatever it is if it is depression, or a family issue, or other personal issue that's effecting him, I hope he's able to get the help he needs to work through it, for his own mental health, we've seen good players, talented players crumble under mental health and it's sad to see. I do feel like he's in a good situation with good support from teammates, coaches, and an organization that cares about the well being of it's players. I know none of us are making assumptions that it's this or that. I'm glad that Nagy and Pace aren't betraying his trust if he's confided in them by not sharing details that the public doesn't need to know at this time. As far as the team goes we have the depth to allow him time if he needs it to sort whatever it is out. He's done a lot to make up for the holdout, with his play on field and his enthusiasm up to this point so I think we're all ready to give him the benefit of the doubt. We may never find out what led to his missed time but as long as he takes the time he needs to get things right and get back to playing at a high level, I'm good with it. I know personally having dealt with bouts of depression the mind can go to dark places with little or no warning. Having good support around you makes all the difference.

I think it’s best not to speculate at this point. We don’t know what is going on or what happened. I do give Nagy credit for keeping what ever it is out of the media out of respect for Roquan. We really don’t need to know. Just hope whatever it is he’s able to get past and sort it out.

And what do those two things have in common (no holes, and not being able to stretch the field). Offensive Line. They are not opening holes with any frequency and other than the short passing game they aren't keeping our QB's clean long enough for the deeper stuff to develop. We have the talent at WR/TE/RB to stretch the field, Danials and Mitch have the arm to make the throws, but as often is the case the game comes down to the war in the trenches, if we don't win the line of scrimmage we're going to struggle to make big splash plays to put defenses on the ir heels. We're going to need to address the OL in the offseason between FA and the draft. I'm hoping that as the season moves along and the current group develops more continuity and plays better, I don't expect great or even above average but for this group average would be good. As to Trubisky's injury and the QB situation, In the short term I see us bring up Brey as the backup but keeping our eyes out for other options on other teams rosters. I would say hell no to Keapernick he is a below average QB who brings a lot of baggage, and circus with him. He thinks of himself as a starting caliber QB but he had one good year and played very and played himself out of a starting role, and opted out of his contract. He over values himself, talking heads like to push for him whenever a QB goes down simply for the media circus it would create. I'm hoping Mitch's injury isn't a long absence but at the same time he can get some valuable perspective watching the offense from the sidelines. With this defense I think we can still win with Daniels. The offense doesn't have to be spectacular or lights out (though that would be fun to watch paired with our D), it just has to be efficient, control the clock and keep our D fresh while wearing down theirs. As long as we can put up say around 20 a game or more we'll be fine. The positive is that it's Mitch's non throwing shoulder

So far he's played better than expected people were dogging them for the pick, but they needed a QB with some potential to replace Eli who'd definitely lost a lot of his game in recent years.

Makes this upcoming game very important. Win and we have the same record as the Packers and we hand Minny a loss. We're going to have to come out firing. A win puts the vikings at 2-2, and us a half game behind the Packers tied at 3-1. The lions being in first place is a mirage and won't last.

Agree on Whyte, he's shown little that makes me feel like could even grow into a role. He doesn't have great vision, or determination. He looks indecisive in the backfield which time is precious and he waits to long to make a decision. Patience is a a virtue for a back, but overthinking and dancing will get you nowhere unless your name is Barry Sanders. I'd keep Montgomery, Davis, Cohen, and Nall. If we keep Whyte I'd rather it be on the practice squad. Shaheen from our perspective has shown little to justify continuing to invest in him. He may be looking fine in practice, but you don't keep guys cause they are practice studs, you keep guys cause they can contribute on game day and thus far Shaheen has contributed little on game day. I like what I've seen from Bunting he passes the eye test to me, he looks natural, has good hands. I can see Sowell sticking due to his work ethic and he has potential. Pretty sad when I feel better about a converted lineman in Sowell then I do Shaheen who's "natural" position is TE. Braunecker will probably make the 53. The TE waters on our roster are more murky.

probably is, he'll face more heavy boxes now that they don't have to respect the pass game as much. But the volume should be there.

He's got a good shot at making the practice squad, good kid, plays hard, has had a decent preseason with one game to go. One thing I liked about the turnovers we got in this game is they weren't the dumb luck variety where a ball just bounces to someone or is thrown right to them. These were athletic plays. The pick six Bush took the ball from the WR and was able to get up untouched and take off. The TD off the sack fumble later to recognize it was a live ball to scoop and score. Guys were fighting and making plays. In a game that seemed like it was going to be lopsided in favor of the Colts. Second half was bottom end of the rosters but there were some really good individual plays made. The late TD from Brey to Horsted (sp?) lob throw and catch was beautiful. They also took time to honor Chuck Pagano which was very classy.

it is sad. Indy could have done a better job protecting him. He took a heck of a beating when he was playing. I agree this team is now in better shape than it was when Manning got hurt and they rolled out Curtis Painter and the suck for Luck tour was on. With a healthy Luck they were set to challenge in the AFC. Now they will be a middle of the road. I agree with Adam I still see them winning 5-6 game possibly even finishing 500. Which we know what that's like and the struggle of trying to win vs draft position. Playoffs are no longer a realistic goal. The AFC South has gotten tougher. The timing of the story breaking didn't help either to have it come out during a Colts/Bears preseason game I'm sure made it harder on the fan base. Still didn't make it right for fans to boo him at the presser. Not very classy. It sucks for sure as a fan base but from Luck's position you can understand his choice to maintain a quality of life. I'm sure it was an incredibly tough decision but he had to do what was best for him. And he may have even had some urging by his doctors to consider retirement. Just a tough one all around. On a selfish note though I'm glad neither of my fantasy leagues have drafted yet, I was targeting both Luck and Hilton, and even Mack.

We heard people talking about it at the game and my first thought was this is a joke. Then I googled it. How crazy! Wasn’t that long ago he expressed confidence he’d be ready for week 1. Good guy, loads of talent just horrible luck wit injuries. No pun intended. I feel bad for Colts fans. That has to suck going from a top tier QB to Brisett 2 weeks before the start of the reg season and now the have to scramble to find a starter.

Just got back to our hotel from the game and I echo what Adam said kwit had a much better game and was quite active. Nall has looked good this preseason and tonight he had a huge run on 1st and 30 following an offensive PI and a holding. I feel he has earned a roster spot. He would have had a TD a few plays later were it not callled back Bush’s pick 6 was a thing of beauty. We need to find a better backup QB. Daniel is awful. The offense started to move the ball with Brey. Not that he’s the answer but the offense found some rhythm when Daniel left. Pineiro seems to have secured the job. Perfect on the night including the 58 yarder. I was hoping we’d have given him a shot on the 4th and 17 that we went for I believe in the 4th. Nearly all the first half was meh on both sides of the ball with a few highlight plays sprinkled in. We couldn’t move the ball anwe struggled to stop them. A lot of missed tackles and poor angles. Yeh one play their WR pretty much juked two defenders out of their shoes and scored an easy TD. On an interesting side note. The guy sitting behind us was Clifton Duck’s uncle. Pretty cool. The kids a long shot, but neat to talk to someone with a connection to the team.

We certainly have enough weapons to keep Cohen and others fresh.

this screams "just take my money" lol

Not a surprise. SF had made it clear they weren't going to cave. Many of us would have liked to see him return to Chicago, once the tag was applied that pretty much ended any hope of him coming back here. We have to move on and hope we find a solution at kicker.

Great point and a very likely scenario. We should at the very least go deep into the playoffs making our first near the end of the first round, and the Raiders are the Raiders and will likely suck making their 2nd about like having a low 1st.

I think Davis is better than Mizzell and Cunningham. He filled in well when he needed to in Seattle. He wasn't brought in to be the long term solution but to give us good vet depth at the position while Montgomery gets up to speed in the offense. With Howard being gone Cohen is the vet in the backfield and it's nice to have a guy like Davis there when you bring in Montgomery and Whyte as rookies. I see us starting the season with a RB committee initially headed by Davis or even a more close split between Davis, Montgomery, and Cohen. From there I can see Montgomery at some point taking over the lead role. He's got the talent and is in a great situation to become the lead back.

It is very cool, it shows the commitment Pace has when he sees an opportunity to improve the team and has strong conviction. It's a stark contrast to what we've had in the past, vs where he is relentless and worked on the Raiders GM and Naggy worked on Gruden. They had to move quickly when window of opportunity opened for Mack to be traded. I like the aggressiveness and for a player like Mack who's a generational talent and a great teammate it's hard to pass that up even at a high cost. Without his diligence Mack would have been somewhere else wreaking havoc on opposing offenses and we'd be left thinking what if.