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I think he would be a good DT in a 4-3, but is small for the NT spot in our scheme. So you wouldnt have any problem if he was our first round pick?

Can anybody explain the Sheldon Rankins love going on with people? I think he is a good player but does not fit our D scheme. I have seen several mocks having him being drafted by us in the first. Is he suppose to be Aaron Donald? His stats dont show that. Maybe he could be a smallish NT but with Goldman already here, I wouldnt understand that pick if we took him in the first.

I think two aspects that are underrated are good work ethic and the love of football. Usual these types are underrated because of their measurable but are productive players. I dont remember the name of the Penn State DE that was a good player but didnt have the desire to play football and turned out to be a first round bust for us. (anybody remember his name) I have no problem if just a eccentric or nut job type if he has those two characteristics . Out right criminals dont bother me if not felonies or physical abusers. DUIs or marijuana charges , just mean they make bad judgement calls, as long as they dont have bad histories of abuse. The Marshall's and Bennett's are people you could live with as long as they dont drag the team down. They usually wear out there welcome and move around a lot , like they did hear.

You never can have enough pass rushers, but with McPhee, Young, Houston, and Ocho, I think we can get by for a season with out taking one in the first round. There are several after the third round that could play special teams and have some upside. In the first round, I only think Lawson has the potential to be worthy of that pick. I dont think Floyd and Spence are worthy of the 11th pick. I think people like Correa, Fackwell,Ngakoue,Ochi, and Holmes are good choices and valves at later rounds. Correa in the second along with Floyd and Spence(who wont make it that far). The rest of that list at appropriate round valves. I personally like Ochi, or Holmes in as early as the 4th round with high upside.

That is true, but does that mean we should reach at the QB position no matter what round you choose in? No in the first or second but no problem after the third round.

The risk has a lot to do with what round you take them. Anything after the third doesnt have as much expectations, so later rounds really is when you take chances. Nkemdiche- no way in the first, probably in the second, and absolutely in the third. The biggest concern I have with types are athletic studs, but low production. If he cant be productive at a college lever, how can you expect him to pick it up at the speed at the NFL. Some do it, most dont. Oakman is off my list, because of behavior and being stupid with the chance coming to earn a huge payday. How do you expect him to act normal after he gets millions of dollars in his pocket. Boeringer, is a late round shot in the dark, anytime after the 4th round would be OK. Justin Ferris is probably more of a high reward and low risk than in this category. Probably a sleeper type. He was highly productive at Ferris State, but would he count only because of such a low level of competition? How about Noah Spence? If taken in the first round would definitely fit that mold. Second probably not so much.

I am not going by strength of draft, but by our depth. Were screwed if Rolle is bad, so i think we could use a starter there. We have Ferguson who could be a starter, but no depth on the d-line Obviously health affects every position, but right now we would be ok at cb, but in a passing league you cant have enough cbs

2 names I'll throw out the there is Wendell Smallwood and Daniel lassco. They sound like interesting 4th or 5th round picks.

If players are rated close of course you pick need. From everything I read there are 8 to 14 blue chip types in this draft, depending on who is grading. When i listened to Gabriel on the score he told on teams make up there draft board, and some place higher value on different aspects of draftees. From what i read Pace rates speed as a high value, ao it nay change how we look at things. If one of the blue chip players are there, i dont think it matters what position he is. The qbs will be gone and the wrs and tes dont have high enough ratings to pick there. Guards and centers arent rated high enough but every other position sre open .jack has been listed to play any lber position, so if thet draft him he would be thrown olb.

Never gave it much thought, but he could be a brilliant ss, he has good coverage skills.

If i had a choice i would choose to draft Buckner or Ramsey. If stanley is gone , i like Conklin better, he is more athletic, a nasty attitude and will be there at 11. If we go left tackle we can get a goid one.

I am in china right so I have been listening to the score as i waste time. Gabriel has been on for 4 hours and had interestingconversation. He thinks Bosa has the best chance of dropping. Thaf he put on 15 pounds and be a premium player as a 5 T. I have never thought he could be there before. He is always listed as atop 5 player. . What do you guys think?

Of course we still have needs, if you draft for need and pass up a premium player, you do no service to the team. Hunter will be drafted in the second round because of depth at the position in the draft, but truthfully he is avthird round pick for valve. We would be better off drafting Vannett in the 4th than hunter in the second. With our first two picks we have a chance at getting impact players. Lets say the BPA in the first is likely Elliott, then you have have to take him even though we have Langford. If its lawson who could get us 10 sacks as a rookie even though we have depth at that position. He will habe more impact. Leno is ok but if stanley is there (i prefer Conklin even at 11), he would make us a better team. I don't like Hargreaves but he may be the BPA at the time. I think possible one of top players drop with the potential of 3 qbs and 1 RB being gone. Bosa, Buckner or Jack.

Smith is listed to play olb or iilb depending on where you read it, if they draft him, it should be at least the fourth round and plays in 2 years. He could be a major player if he dully recovers.

How about Tennessee trading back to us to get stanley if he is there. The 15th and ine second gets them our pick and could still probably get Robinson or jackson

Butler could surprise but no way jones goes in the first. He has 2nd or 3rd round grade.

That tells you something about how smart he is to put himself in harms way this close to the draft. I think a lot og teams take him off there board. A sexual assult charge is huge, we probably won't touch that either after the Mcdonald circus.

They will be definitely taking a QB somewhere .I think Hogan in the 4th would be a good pick. We have 2 4th rounders. I think the top 3 could go in the top 10 which could give us trade options

They never have enough pass rushers, so dont be surprised if Lawson is our first pick. They can move McPhee up on the line and have in on passing downs

Anybody pay attention that taylor Decker is working out with kyle long. I find that interesting.

that would work quite well , let me throw another guy that we actually had in for a visit, Ray Robinson-Harris/UTEP

On not on the premium side of fanspeak so could not do trading, but I agree, trading down and getting another pick would load the team for the future.I still think we draft a QB this year with some protests available. Wentz is the best QB this year and the only deserving of a high pick, but we do not have the luxury of drafting one so high, to far to go.

Here is another stupid Fan speak draft I would love 11: R1P11 QB CARSON WENTZ NORTH DAKOTA STATE 41: R2P10 S DARIAN THOMPSON BOISE STATE 72: R3P9 DT VERNON BUTLER LOUISIANA TECH 106: R4P8 RB DERRICK HENRY ALABAMA 127: R4P29 TE NICK VANNETT OHIO STATE 150: R5P11 CB MAURICE CANADY VIRGINIA 185: R6P10 OLB SCOOBY WRIGHT ARIZONA 206: R6P31 DT ANTHONY ZETTEL PENN STATE 230: R7P9 DE TYRONE HOLMES MONTANA Wentz was there so I had to take him, all the other high level players were gone at that point. Henry will never last until that round but had to take him. I am quite happy with my last for picks.

I think Gabriel has a lot of good things to say but he is not always right, just one of many opinions that knowledgeable people have. I think you evaluate information and draw your own conclusion. How many smart people passed up on Brady when he was drafted in the 6th round, all of them. Scouts only have to be right some of the time, nobody is right all the time. the keys to a player evaluation but next is development, and then staying healthy. I place a lot of valve on production, desire, work ethic then add in the physical straits. Some work out and some dont, I want the Bears to hit on everything but the truth is many wont. They gave Porter a minimum contract and he produced. Ball got a few bucks and didnt . you have to keep going to the well until you build a team and hope it stays healthy and then we may luck out and got to a SB again.

I think when they make up a draft board, it has a lot to do with valve. Sure thing types carry a better valve than ones with risks. Drafting a player in the first round brings risk but in the third would be considered a great valve.