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Well as long as they viewed the extension as a sunk cost I wouldn’t care lol. But mccaskeys probably wouldn’t.

I think he would make a move potentially just before the draft - just to make sure he could get the bids leading into the draft and get a pick this year.

I like the idea of Bevell. A lot. By the way liked the rest of your list too. Really well thought out list of oc options.

Someone connected said Bears would just extend Flus 2 more years if they decided to keep him and move on from Getsy. By doing that Bears could still fire everyone a year from now (albeit with more of a cost) but by extending Flus coaches should feel a bit better taking an open coordinator gig.

I am fine with Bagent and a rookie although I wouldn’t be opposed to a vet like Joe Flacco to have as well.

I also don’t remember anyone ripping on Mitch either? I usually think if the offense is ripping the qb that means they are pretty bad from a culture / fit perspective. Think Zach Wilson last year or they just haven’t been awful or have minimal standing in org so easy to kind of bag on them. Mitch had lockeroom support and he stinks. Mitch like Justin worked hard and were extremely likable…I also think players respect Fields toughness and athleticism which means less likely anyone says something bad. Doesn’t mean he’s good though.

So Fields record is awful - is he really one you win with? I do agree the lockeroom likes him - I also imagine at least a few players know what they say but they respect him enough not to actually say it.

Also - for the Bo Nix / Penix Jr people on here - let's not forget Fields is within a year of them in age. I'll roll with Fields before I take a 1st rounder on either of them. Jaden Daniel's is 23 too - but not as old as Nix/Penix Jr. Those are men playing against boys and it makes a difference. Meanwhile Maye is 21 and Caleb just turned 22. McCarthy is about to turn 21. McCarthy and Harbaugh is my absolute favorite - but in general I would be giddy to get Harbaugh. There is a balancing act in all of this - because McCarthy has so few snaps the bust rate on guys that raw is huge (and quite frankly McCarthy would probably benefit significantly from sitting a season - but Harbaugh loves the guy and refers to him on same level as Andrew Luck).

Meanwhile - in 3 NFL seasons - Justin Fields consistently makes routine throws look difficult. We talk about his downfield passing attack - yet the Bears rank 27th in downfield passing advanced stats (despite having Moore). And we can knock Mooney but Fields has consistently missed Mooney down the field. Point blank - Fields has shown one thing - he is a mediocre to poor NFL passer, a hard working dude, and a stellar physical athlete at the position. Unfortunately the poor NFL passer hinders everything else and you really can't win consistently without making massive strides. Oh and by the way - this is the same knock he had coming out of college and why he fell in the draft (as teams worried how Fields couldn't show the progression progress in his final season at OSU). Why we as Bears fans like to make excuses for Fields and not hold him accountable is beyond me. But reality is - this is a guy who outside of a few games has consistently looked like a poor passing NFL QB with elite athleticism. If it weren't for the elite athleticism he would have been benched a year ago and been talked about like Zach Wilson (who is a historic bust). Him and Lance are why I would never go early on a small school QB. If you listened to Mark Sanchez the last 2 weeks - you could hear it in his announcing. He toes the line and I get it, its Mark Sanchez, but lets not forget that he knows a heck of a lot more than us. Sanchez was consistently showing Fields being off rhythm and off timing. And no - I don't think Getsy is a very good OC - but I think a really good QB can make a mediocre OC look good more so than a really bad OC can make a top notch QB look bad. Read that a few times - I think a good OC can absolutely help - but Fields has flat out looked BAD as a passer for 3 years. I think at best a good OC could make him look decent - is decent really what we are striving for. And I get it - if I were the Falcons or someone else - I might take a shot and see what could happen and design an entire offense around him, but with the Bears being where they are - they don't have to take a Hail Mary at Fields, they have a ton of options.

You guys are nuts - Williams is going top 3 unless he suffers some serious injury or says he doesn’t want to play. He has elite arm talent and athleticism and has put up outstanding stats at two programs. Oh in a bowl game the backup threw for 6 tds against a lousy Louisville team with a bad defense where Lincoln Riley had a month to prepare. Watch the highlights a few of those tds were not good passes just 50 / 50 balls. Great story by Miller but had no bearing on how good Williams is.

Unless Arizona trades out - but this is actually really interesting. Because that is a scenario where if you are Bears and 2 qbs rate similarly and you have confidence Az isn’t trading out - you can move to 3 - get a future 1st plus maybe Washington 2nd this year and next year or maybe a very good player instead of the 2nd? I think I would be a-ok with that.

I just don’t like Flus not succeeding and Bears ending up with yet another head coach not tied to the qb. If it weren’t for that I think Flus had earned a 3rd year. I give him credit for the defense development and in general how the team handled adversity. I like his calmness and demeanor and I think his players respect him. I think a great HC doesn’t have to be the smartest guy in the room - but he has to get the guys bought in together. I don’t undersell Flus contributions to that.

This is interesting - let’s say Bears could trade #1 pick to say #5 and got a bunch more assets, I suppose that lowers the risk of taking best qb on board at 5? Basically Poles acknowledging it’s a crap shoot so let’s move down - keep stocking up on assets and than take a qb than. Maybe even stick with Fields too and go with competition. Remmeber Poles comes from an org that traded Alex Smith after putting up 4k yards. It’s also an org that sat Mahomes for one year before trading Smith. Would bears move down - get more assets - take a qb still - and let Fields play one more year. Crazier things have happened. I just can’t see them sticking with Fields and not taking a qb early.

Flus is interesting scenario. At this point I personally would be shocked if Fields is back. He just hasn’t produced enough in 3 seasons to keep him when you are sitting with a top 3 pick. Unless Bears have another plan at QB. Ignoring the excuses around Fields - can anyone say he has shown enough to say you would put a > 50 percent chance on him becoming a top 7 qb? This is a guy who right now is statistically around #20 (some spots have him slightly better - most have him slightly worse). I don’t care about Nagy and Getsy - if he was good enough he would have shown more and reality is final few weeks he has NOT been very good.

Williams is deadly on slants and can do a ton in rhythm. It’s not always consistent cause he big game hunts…but his slant is excellent and he uses whole field.

I hope if we get number one we take Caleb. Dude can fling it.

I suppose I can live with it if you get a good 1st rounder next year than I guess it could be one more year of punting on qb and seeing if that much talent makes it better. But almost zero chance that future 1st ends up a #1 pick.

I just assume - if a guy is rating that high - multiple teams will be in on them. Doesn’t mean the teams won’t be right and one of the secondary picks end up better - but you take the guy you think is best and if you think he is that good you are taking them at 1. I don’t see a team going - you know - we are going to pass on the first 3 and than try the 4th guy to be our starter? Now if you are picking at 11 and all you have is a pick at the 4th/5th guy - fine. But I’m probably sticking with Fields vs taking 3rd or 4th qb off the board.

I don’t think any of those guys are worth a pick at 7 or 15. Certainly not Penix and I don’t think Daniels either. Dude was mediocre until this year. Williams or Maye or McCarthy…or take whomever drops in the 2nd round. But if I’m taking the qb - and you have the 1 - don’t get cute - take the guy you think is the best - unless you really think 2 are great but even than you can only move down 1 spot which is kind of hard to do.

I am like you - I am terrified they end up with 3rd pick.

I figure Beli wants to win cause he won’t be there so he has zero incentive to tank. Really only team in on tanking of the bottom 3 is Cardinals. Panthers don’t care since they don’t have the pick and Pats coach is a goner so what does he care (ala Lovie last year).

I agree. Bears are going to have one high end pick (top 3 locked up) and another top 15. Whether 7 or 15 doesn’t matter if it is because young players are flashing and the young dbs and defense as a whole is flashing.

Cards are still just a win off the top pick right? And Panthers are going to have an easy game in final week as Bucs likely are playing for nothing.

Well said

I like fields a lot as an individual - but I don’t see any stat that would say he is a franchise guy. Does he have tools - sure, but this was a bad d and he could have done more. They won though and I am happy for him for that. I do like that throw he just made to ice the game to Moore. His wideouts had an awful game today. Moore due to injuries probably, no one else did a damn thing. Kmet and Herbert were good