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Are you guys seriously comparing Terry Glenn to other guys this team has on the roster. I realize he's had a serious injury and no one knows what to expect, but this is a guy who in 05 and 06 had over 1000 receiving yards and has had a total of 4 1000 yard receiving seasons in his career. This guy is loads better than every WR on the roster when healthy. The Cowboys have the ability to release him since they have Terrel Owens and Patrick Crayton (two guys that are pretty good already) and thus can allow a 3rd young WR to develop. The Bears have a shitload of unproven guys and I for one would be thrilled to have a guy like Glenn to go along with Booker to at least give you two solid veterans who Orton/Grossman can rely on (ie, guys with good hands and route running ability). Those two vets are not going to take all the reps so the Bears will still be able to give ample time to Bradley/Hester/Bennett.

Here's a question, If Grossman is screaming and pointing and not expecting the ball, maybe it was the center who snapped things early. I really am not concerned with a fumble this early. I know Rex has his history of them and its inexcuseable but this early in camp its going to happen and relatively often (Orton did it today). Plus Rex and Kyle aren't working with the #1 center yet either so they are both working with someone they are unfamiliar with. I'm more concerned with how the guys throw as opposed to who isn't fumbling snaps at this point.

The weird thing is I saw no comment of what Rex did today.

I don't think thats the case. Orton was said to have a solid arm in college, in fact strong, but the problem is he has a very long release and doesn't throw a good deep ball. He's also very inaccurate down the field. Rex is a far more accurate QB when it comes to medium and long range passes but Orton is much better at short range passes (and I think this has a hell of a lot to do with Orton being the big QB who can see over the lines and thus hit guys on shorter routes with far more accuracy). Regardless Orton has the tools with his biggest weakness being how long it takes him to throw the mid and long passes and his long windup is also inconsistent which effects the accuracy of such throws (he tends to both float throws that are longer as well as throw them short and into the ground).

I think you could make a case that Parker is better at this point of his career than Booker (given Booker is on the downside and Parker still has athletic ability). Still I like Booker a lot. It sounds as if the Browns are the early favorites to get Parker. Apparently he'd replace Jurevicius (don't know whats happening with Joe, but he's a guy I've always loved, perfect slot receiver).

Gotcha, I didn't realize you two were playing around.

I think the Bears see it this way, they've seen Rex start enough times. THey haven't seen Orton start a lot, so if both play the same in training camp/pre-season they'll give the nod to Orton since he hasn't had that opportunity. Now if Rex plays head and shoulders better and looks like a new QB, they'll clearly turn it over to him because when it comes to pure QB physical ability Grossman is better.

This makes sense. Hester showed how he is pissed and basically used a day holdout to show that, but has now reported and said hey guys, you know I'm serious about getting a new contract but I'm going to show up and play so back up your words and take care of me. Something will get done.

It was back spasms, which typically can last a couple day span so I'm sure its just precautionary.

Come on guys, lets keep to debating the issue and stay away from the personal attacks.

I don't quite think people realize the type of athlete the Bears got in Davis. This guy is a freak athlete for a tight end. I'm not saying he's as good of an athlete as Olsen (who is one of the best athletes at the TE position in the league) but he's at a similar level with a little less football skills (since he split time between BBall and Fball). I was thrilled when he was drafted because I think we'll see him brought along slowly initially but able to replace Clark a year or two from now, which will continue to give the Bears one of the best TE corps in all of football.

Kellen Davis had some nice catches. Both QB's appeared to making some good throws. Obviously its hard to judge based on film since we have no idea how often there were making good throws opposed to bad ones.

Whoah, Colston has proven a lot more at a more important position than Hester has. Yes, Hester is the most explosive return man in the game, but Colston has emerged as a legit #1 player who is much more involved in the day to day flow of the offense. I'd say all talks start below what Colston got in his extension and if they paid him the same or more the Bears are out of there freaking minds.

Parker is more proven than most of our guys but unless there is an injury I wouldn't expect the Bears to make a move. If a starter does become available I could see the Bears being willing to make a deal. But it would have to be a guy that they feel could step in and continue to improve and potentially develop into a #1 (and those guys don't exactly grow on trees). I also want to point out that I believe Parker is currently better than most every WR on our current roster.

I'm not as concerned with QB as most. I believe if you give Orton or Grossman solid offensive weapons we'll get passable play from our QB (possibly even better than that). However, given what they currently have I think its pretty ridiculous that we are going to be able to make much any evaluation on these guys (horrid WR's, unproven RB's, etc). Now if those WR's step up and Jones is healthy (Forte establishes himself) this could all change and we could really evaluate Rex or Kyle (Rex has at least had a couple seasons). I see WR as the biggest need on this entire roster. Look at all great QB's (or most) early on there career they all had at least one top notch go to WR. I realize a good QB can make do with mediocre WR's but they typically can't do that until they've developed (and its much easier to develop when you have a go to WR, solid running game, and good offensive line). In general I believe QB should be one of the final pieces to the puzzle, with the line's being the first pieces.

If we are going to be positive, I'll point out that entering our superbowl season we had no idea that Berrian would emerge as the WR he was nor did we know that Grossman would have as many dominant performances that he did.

I would trade him in a heartbeat. The problem is the time to trade him was in the off-season when you could have immediately made use of the draft picks you would have received. To make a deal in-season, I would ask for a 1st, a GOOD WR, a 2nd and a 3rd. Thats what I would ask for, but I would require at least a 1st, a good WR (who could come in and start immediately and be counted on down the years) plus at least two other draft picks (not necessarily a 2nd and 3rd though). Say Chad Johnson is truly available, I would deal Hester for Johnson and a pick. Hell, I'd do it straight up just as I'd make a deal straight up for Anquan Boldin. I'm not sure if the other teams would do those deals or what the heck the salary ramifications would be.

Thing about the business world. Lets say I want to get paid more, there is a good chance that I'll go interview elsewhere and leverage the higher offers to get a raise at my current employer. The bottom line is that raises aren't necessarily given to the best performances, sure if you perform well you'll get a raise, but in most instances in the business world there becomes the point where to maximize your raise you have to do other things to gain leverage (ie, interview elsewhere and tell the firm hey, I got other options). In the NFL world, that leverage can be to hold-out (hey, you pay me like crap, I just won't play).

This could work out good. Vikings get punished and the Packers have to deal with this distraction.

It was funny to see that is how they determined things. I'm very curious to see what happens come preseason and whether one guy is going to have to play that much better to get the job (Does Rex have a nod because he's had a history as a starter or does Kyle have a nod up because the Bears have already seen what Rex can do and would like to see what they have in Kyle).

Dissapointed to see this. I can't blame him since his salary is so miniscule compared to his production and he's just one play away from never really earning that one big pay-day. However, he had handled everything so well and the Bears have always had that stance that when you hold-out the organization won't take care of you. I figured Hester would have seen what happened with Urlacher/Briggs/Harris/etc and realized that the Bears have a history of taking care of there own.

Congrats!!!

Fantastic job. Now the Bears have one hard task left and its Hester. The two sides are far apart and my guess is at the very best they'll either do a short extension or agree to re-open things mid-season when Hester has proved hismelf more as a WR.

I'm excited training camp is beginning. We'll get some fluff pieces but at the same time we'll actually get to see the Bears in uniform and practicing and soon enough we'll see some pre-season games.

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