I didnt see Jalen Carter take over the defense when it mattered to win the game.

Trade down is looking better and better to me.

Carter's lack of production bothers me then as PHX stated, he wasn't impressive in the bowl game.

28 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Carter's lack of production bothers me then as PHX stated, he wasn't impressive in the bowl game.

I agree, this wasnt new tonight, its been said a lot. Verrrry interesting.

1 hour ago, BearFan PHX said:

I didnt see Jalen Carter take over the defense when it mattered to win the game.

Trade down is looking better and better to me.

No doubt.  I kept waiting to see something but it was a whole lot of nothing.   Good player but I didn’t see signs of greatness.  

HOU losing big, they will be 2-13-1, Bears will be 3-13. DEN losing, they will be 4-12. ARZ up by 2 against ATL, a win there would be huge for Bears. IND getting blown out by NYG will be 4-11-1.

17 hours ago, BearFan PHX said:

I agree, this wasnt new tonight, its been said a lot. Verrrry interesting.

Yeah - count me out. I’ll take multiple picks. 

The Packers destroying the Vikings means they are likely coming into next week focused on winning.  You don't want to take that loss and then a loss to a 3-12 team into the playoffs.   At a minimum the first half they'll be focused on starters executing, then maybe they rest some players.  Regardless our defense with the remaining players can't stop anyone.  

I am sure MIN will be scoreboard watching as they will need help to get anything other than the 3 seed. 

Week 18 games that matter for draft position:

HOU @ IND
MIN @ CHI
LAC @ DEN
ARZ @ SF

Draft scenarios:

#1 Pick - Bears loss, HOU win
#2 Pick - Bears loss, HOU loss OR Bears win, DEN and ARZ win
#3 Pick - Bears win, DEN or ARZ loss
#4 Pick - Bears win, DEN and ARZ lose

Based on game odds, most likely scenario is all 4 teams lose and no positions change. Game times and flexes may make some game irrelevant which might change some things.

The biggest game of the week next week for the Bears is HOU @ IND, lol. Only Bears fans will be keeping track of that game. IND actually has a great reason to lose. That would allow the Bears to pass HOU for the #1 pick which then can be traded to them at #5. They can also draft as high as #3 if both DEN and ARZ won.

Dream scenario would be IND wins, DEN wins,  Bears get #1 pick, Colts get #4. Bears trade pick, then trade down again from #4 to another QB needy team looking to move up like ATL, LVR, CAR, or WAS.

Going thru several Prospect Big Boards, this is the consensus top 15 non-QBs:

Top 5

Anderson, Edge (1 or 2 in every ranking)
Carter, DL (2 to 5)
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Top 10

Murphy, Edge (4 to 8 )
Skoronski, OL (5 to 13)
Bresee, DL (5 to 14)
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Top 20

Robinson, RB (3 - 15+)
Mayer, TE (6 - 15+)
Wilson, Edge (6 - 15+)
Johnston, WR (7 - 15+)
Johnson Jr., OL (9 - 15+)
Addison, WR (9 - 15+)
Porter JR, CB  (9 - 15+)
Smith, CB (9 - 15+)
Ringo, CB (10- 15+)
Simpson, LB (10- 15+)
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So if the Bears don't trade out of #1 or #2, then Anderson is the pick based on consensus BPA. 

Also, of note, BAL is going to have the 24th pick (assuming a WC weekend loss) as they have the best record amongst those teams (better SOS than LAC). Since MIA forfeited their 1st round pick, the Bears would get #54 or #55 if the Ravens lose in the WC or #56/#57 if they lose in the divisional round. 

I am really favoring a trade down because #2 to #54-57 would be a huge gap between picks. So much talent goes before that pick. 

6 hours ago, adam said:

Dream scenario would be IND wins, DEN wins,  Bears get #1 pick, Colts get #4. Bears trade pick, then trade down again from #4 to another QB needy team looking to move up like ATL, LVR, CAR, or WAS.

This is a great scenario.  I'd be happy moving down to 10 and landing Bresee and/or Wilson.  

Sort of related but how crazy would it be for the Bears and Blackhawks to both get the #1 pick in the same draft year? 

Bears trade down, Hawks get Bedard. 

Shocked we have the no. 1 pick. Great end to the Texans game. 

We could trade back and still get a top 5 pick.  Lovie must still be a bears fan.

15 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

We could trade back and still get a top 5 pick.  Lovie must still be a bears fan.

And then trade back again and stay mid first round. If this hand is played correctly, it could be franchise changing.

On 12/19/2022 at 8:20 AM, adam said:

CAR is currently drafting 8th. Would you take #8, a 2024 1st rounder, pick #39, and DJ Moore for the #2?

That allows you to still draft in the top 10, you get a top 10 2nd rounder back, an extra top 15 pick in 2023 and DJ Moore at WR.

The other team is IND, currently 6th. Would something similar and Buckner be worth it? So #6, a 2023 1st rounder, pick #37 and DeForest Buckner for #2 be worth it? The player is basically replacing another 1st rounder like SF did when they traded up for Lance. 

How about #9, pick #61, DJ Moore, a 2024 1st AND a 2025 2nd for #1.

34 minutes ago, adam said:

How about #9, pick #61, DJ Moore, a 2024 1st AND a 2025 2nd for #1.

Good call.

14 minutes ago, Stinger226 said:

Good call.

We got more than what I thought we would. Thank you Lovie!