Poles has no clue wtf he is doing. You trade out of the 2nd and then draft your TE3 with an early 3rd rounder?

Agree. This is a real head scratcher. Means Kmet is being traded IMO.

Yeah, now I'm scratching my head.

I liked the Dillon T pick, and I liked the Logan J Pick

But since then ?????????????????????

Kmet and a 5th for Thibodeaux?

2 minutes ago, adam said:

Kmet and a 5th for Thibodeaux?

Not sure. The Rams keep drafting TE and it makes me think we keep Cole...

As long as they get good players, I trust their judgement. NFL teams have tons of more info than fans do and just rate players differently., With drafting a C and a TE that tells me they are strengthening the OL and know they have a LT on the team already. I dont think they are trading Kmet, they just restructured his contract.

10 minutes ago, adam said:

Poles has no clue wtf he is doing. You trade out of the 2nd and then draft your TE3 with an early 3rd rounder?

They havent signed a TE, so it was a pretty big need. I mocked Roush a while ago, like his game and football IQ

Rd5- Sam Roush TE - Ben Johnson loves to use mismatches, and having another big reciever/end that can line up all over and he can block keeps the pipeline full.

He’s a good football player but this is stupid.

Last year, I was bewildered when they took Loveland and Burden, I wanted different players. How did that turn out? Trust them until it shows they made a mistake.

The problem with these picks is they are all a round too early. They could've traded 57 and drafted Jones with the later 2nd rounder and got more back. Roush wouldve been there at the Bears real 3rd rounder.

Just overall bad draft value. Better players are joining opponents. A TE3 is a luxury pick. You can't use Pick 69 on a luxury pick.

Here is The Beast profile on Sam.

Roush isn’t without his warts, but he offers a traditional Y tight end skill set — competitiveness to handle dirty work as a blocker and athleticism to be a functional underneath target. He has the makeup and toughness to quietly become an integral part of an NFL offense.

His explosion numbers are off the charts for his size. This guy might be another gem and losing Moore, we get another big target for Caleb.

Draftbuzz has a good write up

• Combine testing was a revelation for a 267-pound man. A 38.5-inch vertical (96th percentile) and 10-foot-6 broad jump (96th percentile) are freakish explosion numbers, the best vertical of any tight end above 265 pounds by four and a half inches.

• His 87 athleticism score ranked third among all tight ends at the Combine, and his 91.7 SPORQ percentile clears the critical 90th-percentile threshold that separates future contributors from roster fillers at the position.

• Ran a weight-adjusted 3-cone (7.08) that compares favorably to Sam LaPorta and was faster straight up than Darren Waller and Kyle Pitts. For a guy tipping 267, that kind of agility in tight spaces is genuinely unusual.

• Understands the full tight end job description and does not flinch at the dirty work. Lines up inline without complaint, gets to the second level on outside zone, and holds his ground in pass protection when edge rushers try to work inside.

• The intermediate game between the numbers from 12 to 18 yards is where he does his best work. He finds soft spots in zone with a feel that looks natural, gives the quarterback a massive target on third down, and has the awareness to sit or drift based on what the coverage shows.

• Production climbed every single year in a run-first Stanford offense that never featured him as a primary weapon. Going from 28 catches to 40 to 49 while adding a 69-yard score tells you there is more in the tank when the passing game actually asks for him.

• Carries himself with maximum effort whether the ball is coming his way or not. Runs off safeties to clear space, finishes blocks 20 yards downfield, competes on every snap without being told. Coaching staffs fall in love with that makeup.

• Better with the ball in his hands than his testing speed would suggest. Runs through arm tackles, keeps his legs churning, and showed real balance in traffic on that Boston College touchdown that covered 69 yards.

I should be clear - I think they have drafted 3 good football players and I’m very pleased with first 2 picks…I just would have went another way here. Ben is former TE coach and he is an offensive guru - clearly this pick is him and he has a plan…again not what I’d do but I do think we have 3 guys who will be solid football players.

I would have preferred Hill who would have been a starting linebacker for this team and not had done the trade for the 5th rounder.

I will add he has a lot of drops, but was never a focal point for Stanford. Put him on a team that values TE and designs or schemes to him, he should keep growing into a player.

59 minutes ago, CrackerDog said:

Agree. This is a real head scratcher. Means Kmet is being traded IMO.

Didn’t he just sign a new restructured deal?

DJ, now Kmet. The standard for excellence is set.

Honestly, it's early and there's lots of time to prove himself yet, but this is the first little shot across Odunze's bow too. If Johnson didnt draft you, youd better give it everything you have.

If we get Joshua Joseph tomorrow, or Dani Dennis-Sutton, this draft is going to look genius. If we dont get an Edge, somethings gotta give.

Didn’t read messages. This is a complete WTF pick. I don’t care what anyone says. There were still needs at this point.

7 minutes ago, jason said:

Didn’t read messages. This is a complete WTF pick. I don’t care what anyone says. There were still needs at this point.

I agree - in these cases if your board hasn’t lined up move down (or move up and get someone who you like who can start).

We all have our weaknesses - Poles’ is apparently the third round, where he has yet to make a good pick (Velus Jones, Zacch Pickens, Kiran Amegadjie) and his most successful draft (last year) was one where he didn’t have a third round pick. Maybe we should just trade all our third round picks until someone pans out. Maybe it will be one of these guys, but I kind of doubt it (I don’t love that it seems neither the nor Thomas is all that good at catching the ball).

I did find one guy that liked the pick and can kind of see the vision . . .

1 hour ago, DABEARSDABOMB said:

I agree - in these cases if your board hasn’t lined up move down (or move up and get someone who you like who can start).

I wanted Dani Dennis-Sutton round 2, hes still on the board. If the Bears get one of the edges left it shows how much we know going off mock draft sites for input. Would have loved Gabe Jack's, maybe the Bears did too, but gone a pick before. Just staying positive like every year.

25 minutes ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

I wanted Dani Dennis-Sutton round 2, hes still on the board. If the Bears get one of the edges left it shows how much we know going off mock draft sites for input. Would have loved Gabe Jack's, maybe the Bears did too, but gone a pick before. Just staying positive like every year.

Yeah, we are playing the board as it falls. If we end up with Dennis-Sutton, or Joshua Josephs (or even Reiger, Ndame Tucker etc) then they just played the board beautifully. if on the other hand we are being too cute and all those names go and we are stuck with nothing, and there is no trade or free agent move in his back pocket, then this will be a really different outcome.

So I feel like I shouldnt judge him until he is done. Im having faith that that Edge is coming. I also wanted Dennis-Sutton or Josephs in the 2nd round, so maybe Poles is one cool cat. Or maybe he's a psycho that doesnt care about the pass rush? Time will tell.

4 minutes ago, BearFan PHX said:

Yeah, we are playing the board as it falls. If we end up with Dennis-Sutton, or Joshua Josephs (or even Reiger, Ndame Tucker etc) then they just played the board beautifully. if on the other hand we are being too cute and all those names go and we are stuck with nothing, and there is no trade or free agent move in his back pocket, then this will be a really different outcome.

So I feel like I shouldnt judge him until he is done. Im having faith that that Edge is coming. I also wanted Dennis-Sutton or Josephs in the 2nd round, so maybe Poles is one cool cat. Or maybe he's a psycho that doesnt care about the pass rush? Time will tell.

At least all 32 teams have felt that way about those left over players. TE was heavily drafted this year as teams seen how great 12 personnel works.

How did all of us perceive lasts year draft last year?

5 hours ago, ASHKUM BEAR said:

At least all 32 teams have felt that way about those left over players. TE was heavily drafted this year as teams seen how great 12 personnel works.

You and I are like minded, we need to trust what they are doing and why they picked who they picked when they picked them. If they end up with Dennis-Sutton or Gracen Halton at a later round, good for them. I like Kaleb Proctor and would have been happy if drafted in the second round and he is still there. This still has room to fill needs we all agree on.