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true, but getting a veteran backup who wasnt good enough to be a starter doesnt give Jenkins more experience or solve the issue either. I think we just have to grow with Jenkins, or pick up a temp vet as we go through camp. There no reason to get one right away, in fact the reps for guys like Borom will eventually pay dividends.

exactly. Mentioning Minshew and Mariota by name "we have options" it's BS. do your dance and then argue whether it's a 4th or a 5th. So dumb.

if they DO need a backup who will start for them, 5 to 6 million is not a bad price at all.

I agree, but since we all know the dynamic, and the Bears really dont have any options, I doubt we will get a 4th. If we do, I'll be very happy to get it.

Id be thrilled with a 4th, a 5th sounds right, but if it was a 6th or nothing, Id take it just to get his salary off the books.

I sure hope so, and of course it's not Quinn's fault if they don't put someone in front of him, it doesn't make him any less. I'm just saying, I look forward to seeing it against competition.

Quinn getting to the QB is nice, but who is he going against? Not Jenkins. So what does it really mean?

I agree. They see Jenkins as the future at that position. Will he make mistakes as a rookie learning the position in the NFL as he goes? Certainly. But Stinger is right, it will be no worse than what we've already had at that position for many years. And there will be plays that are much better too. And in time, he may well grow into a dominant force.

Let's hope we are two of them. Three if necessary.

agree with all of this 100%

It'd sure be nice to get something for Foles.

well done

Glad we got something for him. He has talent, but he has issues concentrating, and will not likely ever fulfill his potential.

wouldnt it be great to have a decade or more where we walk all over the Pack and get that all time wins and losses back where it belongs, after the past 20 or 30 years? I think we have all paid our dues in full, and it's time for the dice to come up winners this time.

I agree, he is the best chance at a real QB we've have had since Cutler was coming in, before we knew how he would actually be. And Fields is nothing like Cutler. Lots of reasons to beleive in Fields.

me too, I read in various interviews that Desai's scheme is going to be more similar to Fangio's scheme, especially in how it relates to Jackson. But no matter what we do, if the front 7 plays like it should be able to, it's going to make everything cleaner in the secondary, and probably give Jackson more interception chances too.

One of the things I love about football is the way all the pieces of a defense interact. If the front 7 is as good as they can be, the corners are going to look like Pro Bowl players. I think we can expect to see Eddie Jackson return to form too. Once you start to dominate up front, everything else starts looking really good too.

all good points.

Assuming he will play under the tag, then mathematically, you're right. Paying him the tag is no more expensive than what he's asking for. But if he holds out (like next year) then it's not just a matter of numbers anymore. But I can see why Pace doesn't want to give him $20M a year.

It makes you wonder if Pace wasn't trying for $18M, and Robinson holding for $20M. $16M seems low for his worth. DABEARS makes some good points above about him maybe not being worth $20M, but I think he is worth more than $16M for sure.

Here's a topic - I think Pace should have signed Robinson to a long term deal. Of course I don't know what he was asking, but if it was fair market value, I think it was a mistake not to sign him and give Fields that receiver to grow with long term.

yes, Mooney is a beast in the making.

Well we surely failed to have an identity running the ball last year, but that may well be the fault of the OL. I'm not really talking about attempts, I'm talking about a rhythm. No one can really say we've seen Nagy's bears establish any kind of rhythm in the running game as of yet. I truly hope we see it this year, and like I said, I am very willing to believe that it was the poor performance of the OL that caused it, just as I am willing to think that Trubisky is what caused the failue of Nagy's passing game. But we havent seen it yet. We do have an offensive roster that seems pretty good, and so I hope this is the year Nagy proves it to us, but until he does, it is fair to say that we havent seen it yet in at least the last two years from Nagy.

I hope so, but Nagy wasnt the playcaller in KC, Reid was, and when Nagy got the reigns, he didn't do so well, including an early playoff exit in which all agreed he had gotten away fromt he running game, a problem we've see here too. Now for sure, you have a sympathetic ear with me to the argument that the OL was so bad at moving people Nagy HAD to abandon the running game, and that is a fair point, and I do hope he shows us something different this year. But until we see it, Taking one of Nagy's trick gadgets away from his running game might help clarify it a bit and give it some rhythm, so there may be a silver lining to Cohen's possible early season absence?

I thought one of Nagy's issues was spreading the ball around too much in the running game, and not letting Montgomery get into a rhythm. I hope he gets better at this, but i feel like Nagy is a smart coach in each play, but doesnt really put it together into rhythm. Hope he proves me wrong.