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Goff played 7 games to Trubisky's 12 tho

yup yup. Go Bears!

I'm very excited to see what this team can become.

I think the thing no one is saying is that we were very lucky to have Fox as our coach. When he came in, we were obviously beginning an epic rebuild. No real coach with a winning attitude and his eyes on a future career would have taken the job. And you will see, this was Fox's last gig too. Fox may not be the most modern guy, but he has presided over some good teams. Moreover, he knows how to build a locker room. He instilled some semblance of a culture into our team, which was about all he could have done, and to be frank, all he was qualified to do too. When we had Ernie Accorsi as out interim GM/DIrector of Football Operations for a month, he installed a Parcells tree SYSTEM. Pace fits that mold and so does everyone else who has followed, including Fox. They switched to the 3-4 and now we will be one of the teams in the NFL that runs similar schemes year in and year out. This means we will draft the same kind of players to play the same roles for many years to come. Scouts and coaches will know which attributes to emphasize for each position, and rookies will play under vets that have similar strengths and weaknesses and can show them how to leverage their talent. It also opens up a whole world of film study going back decades, where you can see a player with similar physical traits executing the same plays and techniques. Gone are the days of picking the athlete that fell and looks like the best overall value. We suffered 20 years of that crap picking one David Terrell over another. So we needed someone to bring us through the first few years, someone who had had success and could install the culture, from the way meetings are handled, to the terminology and to the general air of discipline and accountability. Fox truly was a TEAM coach, and his successes were not necessarily on the field. We were lucky to have him, and once he succeeded at his mission, it was time to let him go, and bring in a real coach, one who frankly never would have been interested had Pace and Fox not laid the groundwork. And boy were were lucky to get Fangio.

Sure, but would you really avoid a coach you thought could win for you over this?

4.19 is stupid fast.

an indictment is NOT a trial. often the accused isnt even there, with no opportunity to speak, present evidence or question witnesses. The outcome is not a conviction, but simply a recommendation for trial. A judge once famously said district attorneys now have so much influence on grand juries that "by and large" they could get them to "indict a ham sandwich." He added that they "operate more often as the prosecutor's pawn than the citizen's shield." Having served a month on a grand jury myself, I have first hand experience that this is TRUE. We indicted all sorts of nonsense, and we were very tightly controlled by the district attorney as to what we could ask, and do in ways that I personally think were illegal. The whole thing was basically a rubber stamp, witht he opportunity for fairness being reserved for the trial itself. Being indicted doesnt make you guilty any more than being arrested does.

no it doesnt. I have served on a grand jury before. getting indicted means nothing more than that you dont know and should have a trial. there are many innocent people indicted all the time. Hell studies say 10% of people convicted and in prison are innocent.

I guess, but if they DID know, you think that should have destroyed his career? Maybe they did know. But even if they didnt, what would they have done differently if they had known?

Don't forget the most important of all - Trubisky! This team has a ton of potential and a really good staff. Should be fun to see what they can become.

I am not defending sexual assault in any way whatsoever. I don't think we can fairly assume any guilt or innocence based on what we know. Assumptions like that are unfair, and that's why we have a trial procedure. Just a point of logic, I have no feelings either way about Patricia, or any opinion on what he did or didn't do.

I totally have this problem. Giant cock, and NO idea what to do with it.

I dunno brother, maybe you're prepaying some karma for some really good news

Thanks Pix! Hope you're feeling OK.

i agree he is competition and insurance, question being for which role

OK, so first off I have been a big fan of Howard. I love his heart, his vision and the way he finishes his runs. But I wonder if this isn't his one year audition as a piece of Nagy and Helfrich's offense. There was all that business about trading him before the draft too. Even if it was nonsense, it's a sign that people see that he might not fit with the new scheme. Now that said, he's a hell of a runner, and has the possibility of greatness in him. His numbers have been very good, and on a winning team he could really get some attention. So I think they see his obvious skills, and may have reservations about his pass catching abilities, and I somehow think he will have this year to show them how he fits. Maybe he will catch better than expected, or maybe he will run so hard, he will make them accept lesser hands. But I think this is kind of like a contract year for Howard. And I think Nall isn't the next cohen, I think he's competition for Howard, who WOULD have value in a trade next year, if they decide he isn't the right fit. I think they, and certainly I, are giving him the benefit of this season to show how he fits. If he excels, I'll be thrilled. If not, then the Nall signing makes a lot of sense as insurance.

Or maybe they want to start him at OG because he isnt ready to make the protection calls at center yet, even if that is his ultimate destination?

I think they genuinely want to say the right thing. But I just care that they want to win more than anything else in their lives.

Im a cynic. I think they mostly say it to ingratiate themselves with the fans. But who cares. I have my memories of the 85 Bears, I don't need Roquan Smith to be a fan of that team. What I DO need is for him to be a fan of himself and THIS team. I think Pace and Nagy are building a culture of winning. We definitely see them choosing leader types. The arrow is pointing up for sure.

see? and what the heck did I know? Smith it was.

LOL, I was early on the ILB train!

agree with all of this.

you're totally right it's a multidimensional problem. And that's what Jason is saying too in his hedges. And that's all correct! The problem is Jason thinking we are smarter than the GMs, and informed enough to even place these bets on the same level. It's easy to point at things that don't work out, but champion poker players don't always get cards either. They can't win a given hand by force of will. But over time, making enough bets, their skill will show over other players. So let's not be pulling apart every move Pace makes as a giant mistake, and look at his overall body of work. I mean, to go from where we were to this level of talent and coaching staff, and to only be able to moan about Hroniss Grasu and some lost picks in a trade that got a potential franchise QB? That's crazy. Or meatheaded I guess is the better term

"Be Yourself" is a very different message than say, the Belichick message, but it's one the Philadelphia Eagles embraced and they seem to have figured out the formula: be aggressive, don't play not to lose, play to win. When you're up 21 points with 7 minutes to go, don't go into a prevent, etc. That will definitely lose you some games, and win you others. Pace and Nagy seem like it. There are some philosophies about going for it on 4th down, and going for 2 that are mathematically sound, but unpopular. I wonder if we will see some of that from Nagy. Remember - every gambles wins AND loses. The first time Nagy is aggressive and doesnt get it, let's not all whine that we want to go back to running the ball for 3.5 yards a carry and playing cover 2 all the time. That's not for the NFL. This will be fun to watch, but just like Packers fans learned with Brett Favre, you can cheer the heroics, but you'll throw interceptions too. Awesome. I'm ready. I think we will become a dangerous team. Maybe not always consistent, but dangerous for sure.

LOL, imagine a GM saying this. Youd be all over that. Boy are you a meathead.