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I agree with all of this. The best way to help Caleb is a good running game that opens up play action.

i totally get that Kmet and Loveland are different in style. But Im saying Kmet isn t that good - even at what he does. In fact, Im not convinced that Loveland isnt a better blocker than Kmet. As for spacing and working different areas of the field, there are lots of ways to put 4 or 5 guys into the pattern, no matter whether you have 0, 1 or 2 TEs in the game - I know you agree with that. So Kmet isnt better playing any area of the field than Loveland or Burden would be, but there are areas that Kmet cant get to that Burden and Loveland can? So to me, I predict Kmet will get traded next year, or at the trade deadline. But all of this with the caveat that Kmet DOES have physical tools. If the light goes on for him, he can play himself back into relevance here, and stick around. I'm just personally betting against that happening, because i havent seen it yet from him? I suppose if he were to agree to a cheaper contract he could also stay, but no one ever does that with years to go on their deal, and the likelihood that someone will pay him in a trade. But your last point is dead on. The stage is set, over-set even. There are weapons everywhere and a stellar coaching staff. It all falls on Caleb now. Exciting times to be sure! I mean, what does it say that we are all dithering over TE2? That only happens when other things are looking set. Pretty cool.

I agree. Loveland isnt a bad blocker though. There was a narrative that he was all WR, and youre right that he can play like one, but apparently he is a better blocker than people realize too. Im not sure when we go to one TE inline that it will be Kmet though and not Loveland?

Poles has been active at the trade deadline every year.

I dont think anyone, including me, disagrees with that. It's not too early to make projections, but it is too early to actually trade Kmet in any case.

If it was Bowers and Loveland, they'd make it work, and work well. The whole question here really rests on how good Kmet really is. We all have our views, but we will all see him on the field, with Johnson using him correctly. if he balls out, then we will keep him and be fearsome. If he doesnt, hes gone at some point. Those that rate him highly will expect him to play well, and should feel pretty good that he will stay. Those that rate him less well will expect him to play at a mediocre level and feel good that he will be gone. Im in the second group, but I will be very happy to be proven wrong. It's not impossible by any means. Kmet's measurables are really great. So we will see if he can quickly ascend under Johnson's tutelage. He can wake up and take his destiny, but its not easy to do, and his window is probably pretty short. I hope he does it.

I think at this point we've all been so abused by the Bears, it is wise to want to see it on tape before getting too ahead of ourselves. I really want it, but I need to see it.

Right, youre not hating on Loveland, you just wish theyd spent the pick elsewhere. And I think you think Kmet was OK (and I do too) but I also think you dont think Loveland will be worth the lost opportunity to have spent the pick elsewhere. My disagreement with that is i think hes gonna be a star. If he just ends up decent, then youre totally right.

I cant say it isnt rigged, but if i understand correctly there are a lot of balls in there and some teams have multiple balls and some have just one, and a team with just one won it. Consider that each ball in there has the same % chance to be picked. Each team has a different % of outcome, because some have more balls, but each singular ball has the same chance to be picked, so it's not so crazy that the team with just one ball won.

Lets GO.

You have to pay them all, and if you dont, you can use the money elsewhere like on the DL for example. Its not a case of whether Kmet has value, of course he does, its just a matter of cap management, not now, but at the trade deadline or next offseason? I just dont think Kmet is as good as you do. And he will have at least half a season to make his case to both of us.

I'm on the other side of this one re: Loveland and Kmet, but we are 100% aligned, that I need to see it on the field too. I've read all kinds of stuff over the years and gotten overly excited year after year. I wanna see it on the field. I expect we will, but I need to see it. Youre right.

Kilff Kingsbury is working miracles with Daniels, and i think he could use a similar system to make Justin Fields work too. It's really quite brilliant how he gets so much out of the physicality of the QB, without needing so much processing.

lol

me too! This is part of what i thought was missing from Eberflus! I like when the coaches yell at the players. They can do it to break them down, but they can do it to build them up too.

I just think it's hilarious to imagine a team trading a rookie they just drafted in the first round a month ago LOL It's such homer thinking, I got a real laugh out of it.

Saw this on twitter: Trade Bagent and Braxton to the Saints for Banks Jr LOL and while we are at it - we should trade DJ for Fields to fill the hole at QB2. LOL

Well Im no fan of either of them. I think Gabriel is terrible and almost always wrong, but we agree on Lambert. He is a click farming whore LOL He posts EVERYTHING even when it is contradictory to the last thing he posted. I dont even think you can say Lambert has any beliefs or a point of view. In the last two weeks before the draft he had articles saying we were definitely taking 15 different players LOL

I just want to make clear that I am in no way associated with people talking about trading Moore! That guy is a player! I also think we all agree that Kmet will not be traded right away, so he will get a chance to show who he can be on the field, and also how Johnson wants to use him. In Detroit, only one TE really got targets, the other was an inline blocking TE. I know that Johnson has said he wont run the exact same offense here, and I took that to mean (before the draft!) that he could get the LaPorta routes from a slot WR. i thought maybe a guy like McMillan. Now that we have Loveland (AND Burden too!) we have ways to work the middle of the field, and so I see the role of TE2 in our offense as being an inline blocker. And so that brings me to think Kmet wont stick around too long. Not because he isnt good, but because Loveland is better as a receiving TE, and Kmet isnt really THAT good of a blocker. Its not hate for Kmet, I think hes a decent TE, but I think Loveland is just a lot better and will be a star in this league. I also think that we arent used to trading players who are good. Our roster has been so poor for so long that we dont have experience with roster turnover of good players the way they did it in New England for example back in the day. So for these reasons, i think Kmet will get traded before opening day next year. But i fully agree that Kmet will get a chance to show Johnson what he can do, and if he balls out, then my calculation will change. And with so many mouths to feed already in Moore, Odunze, Loveland and Burden, and what ive seen on film of Kmet so far, I wouldnt bet on Kmet sticking around? Also I expect a BIG year from Odunze. But this is VERY different from how I felt about Leno, Fields, Waldron and Flus. Those guys SUCK. Kmet does not suck. He's a decent middle of the pack NFL TE. I just dont think hes special, and we are getting to the point on this roster where decent isnt good enough. Someone else will be very happy to have Kmet, but no kids are going to buy his jersey. And again, all that is contingent on the status quo. If this lights a fire under Kmets butt and he shows us stuff I havent seen from him before, then of course all bets are off.

its a good argument, and it hinges on how good Kmet will be. I think we all agree he will get a chance to show what he can do, so if he is really a problem for defenses, and a multiplier he will get his chance to show it. But in no way am I on board with trading DJ Moore. THAT guy is a player. He wasnt so well behaved last year, but i think he hates losing. I'm OK with that. Just like Stevenson, they get a blank slate this year. Eberflus deserves the blame for their sins, these players get a new start. But i still think, based on my belief of what level Kmet really is, that he wont be around next year, or maybe at the trade deadline. But if he plays differently, or johnson puts him situations to succeed and he proves himself, then you are right we will probably keep him.

yes, youre right. however, Kmet will never be able to do what Loveland does, so if Loveland gets hurt, Kmet cant really fill his role anyway? The best argument for Kmets role on this team, in my opinion, is the 2 TE sets.

FWIW, i dont think the Bears are shopping Kmet. My prediction was next year, or at the trade deadline this year.

I guess youre right. I thought 4k+ was optimistic, but Im only predicting 238 a game. I'll stay with my prediction, but youre right, if things click, it could be more.

hahahaha thats hilarious

good point. i guess I will say that other WRs will take yards from the ones I've already allotted? I wouldnt want to predict who they come from though! For me it starts with predicting Caleb goes just slightly over 4k. ANd odunze just slightly over 1,000 while DJ doesnt quite make 1,000 and burden takes a bunch of his catches. And then a guess at Loveland, and then the rest of the number kind of fall into place from there, so other WRs would have to take from Burden and DJ in my prediction I guess?