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Didn't we try this already with our OC a few years back with John Shoope! He seemed very very nervous!

I would still have signed LJ.

Why not IR Pace and bring up the OT on the ps James Martin if he could play RT?

That could be why Cutler is forcing so many balls to Olsen!

I was absolute sick to my stomach while watching the Bears get pummeled by the vikes. This game sums up all that is wrong with this team: coaching, schemes and play calling both offensively and defensively. What a sorry excuse for a coaching staff and football team. Not only do Lovie and Turner fail to put there players in a position to be successful but they absolutely made no adjustments in the second half. With the season and hopefully his job on the line; why not go for it on forth and short late in the 3rd or maybe try a fake punt instead punting the ball back to the Favre who was absolutely carving up Lovie’s Defense? Instead Blankman (coach Smith) decides to concede the loss without a fight. By the way Zombie Lovie does not rhyme nor does it even sound good together even though it very well describes his sideline demeanor. I am going to call him Blankman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blankman I did observe some of the players are still playing hard out there due to pride alone as we all know Blankman has lost this team. The fans deserve better and it is time to bring in someone who actually can build a perennial contender ala New England and Indy. The Bears should seriously consider doing what Buffalo did and fire there HC mid season not only to send a message and provide direction but because this current coaching staff is going to get someone seriously injured with what is going on out there especially on offense.

My only concern with Cowher is the offense as well. The big upside would be the attitude adjustment and the fact we could expect alot better talent being drafted. I think the Steelers, Ravens and Eagles have good drafts year in and year out. I think it is time to shake up this organization and people are starting to talk about the coaching limiting Cutler as ESPN analyst Tim Hasselback and Chris Collinsworth have both stated this within the last 48 hrs. It is time for new GM, Coaches, players and schemes.

I was more pissed about the "D" giving up the 3rs and longs all night than the Culter not connecting a few possible TD passes.

Don't forget Chucky aka the quarterback collector aka John Gruden is also available. But I am not a big fan of his but atleast appreciate his fire and passion for the game.

I would add I thought we needed to go for it on 4th and short prior to Robbie's filed goal attempt being blocked. Robbie is clutch but I really thought that the offense struggled to stay on the field (no rythm or flow) and the DEF needed a breather. Too many mistakes again this week, coaches are loosing this team. I thought Jay showed good leadership in going to the white board with his young WR's. Jay will be fine and will be the QB that take us back to the SB to win it; just not this year or anytime soon until this team gets a transformation.

Yes, absolutley! Culter will make this team better long term once this team gets some talent with coaching included and a new identity.

What is your assesment regarding formation changes in the redzone? I would like to see a pakage that includes Davis and Olson and Clark. On the goaline or short yardage why not use Clark or an OL at FB? side note: Cut Mckey and call up the rookie.

Right on NFO! Use the pass to set up the run and to take pressure off the QB. I like it and do not recall Olson being moved around as much either. I also like how we used Forte as a receiving threat last week as well.

I think I would rather have Forte and Cutler than Turner and Brohm. I absolutely rather have Culter and Forte to build around. I personally like to live life forward and not dwell on past mistakes or what have you. The important thing to do is learn from past experince and make better decision going forward. With that said I think the Bears are a few players away from being a good team on both side of the ball but it must start with a rebuilt offensive line.

Yeah there are plenty of things I am sure JA could have been done differently over the past few years in the draft and FA. I don't remember who was available at the time but what if we took the best OL with the 4th overall pick that was used on Benson? JA simply discards the notion of building an offense via the draft which could not be more opposite his approach on developing the DEF. Hence the current state of the Bears.

Dan Grossman make some very good points and I am leaning towards the organization is the most to blame: what do you think? http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/footb...,1193797.column

This does not even touch on Turner. Speaking of Turner; too bad we did not sign Michael Turner the Burner 2 years ago as a FA and then used the High 2nd round pick that was used on Forte to fill the OL with some much need youth and talent? Just a random thought I got from reading this post.

I thought that this was actually a very good play by Jay after funneling up the snap off the ground like a middle infileder, he stepped up in the collapsing pocket and made a good reed and threw the ball to an open TE who simply got out hustled on the play.

If there's one coaching change I'd like to see, it's an aggressive, non-Tampa-2 defensive coordinator, a la Ron Rivera. Rivera learned under Jim Johnson before he came to the Bears, and we were definitely a better defense when he was on board. I'd like to see somebody else from the Johnson/Spagnuolo coaching tree brought in to work with Lovie on the defense. I think Lovie's done enough to keep his job as HC, but he clearly has too much on his plate trying to run the defense by himself. I was thinking too bad Samurai Mike did not get a chance a few years ago to be the next head coach for the Bears, not the niners. I love his intensity from what I have read and observed on tv.

Jason, I absolutely agree with your post. Hopefully Cutler can bounce back like Kurt Warner did after his 5 pick game the week before the cards played the Bears. The only problem is the cards seemed to find there running game, also against the Bears. But that is exactly the point: the lack of being able to run the ball has made this team predictable and when your receivers do not come back for the ball than that leaves an opportunity for the defender to make a play on the ball as well. Culter although far from perfect ( the redzone picks were bad decisions that need to be fixed) but I still make this trade today. I also agree very much with Jason regarding the play calling has been atrocious along with everything else has really made a perfect storm for Culter to put up career worst performances on more than 1 occassion this year. But Jay still needs to remeber 3 pts is better than no points and a turn over. Right now this team is not playoff bound and which we all realized earlier in the season. The best thing this team can do is to develop the young offensive players like Devin A., L. Louis and the RB on the practice squad etc as well as get our young DL snaps like Gilbert and Harrison.

This was another sloppy game and it falls entirely on the offense as a whole and not just Jay. The redzone turnovers are inexcusable and that alone is on Jay and maybe a little on the plays called. Turner and Lovie need to do a better job of creating better mismatches and higher percentage plays. You would have thought they could have learned from Sunday's wooping and stole some of the Cards plays i.e. a crossing pattern or the sideline pass that Fitz scored on early in the game. Positives: 1) This was the best execution of the screen play I can ever remember. 2) The Def played much more inspired and actually got several 3 - and -outs including the big 4th down stop on the qb sneak. Bottomline they kept the Bears in the game. 3) DA finally got into the ball game and made a good catch for a key 1st down. We need a bigger playmaker on the outrside. 4) Culter once again showed flashes of being able to move the ball down field with realative ease considering their incompetent OL and running game. None of our previous qb' wear able to this. Like Millen said Cutler will not be able to do this on his own. Despite the inconsistent an ineffective offensive play thus far this season we have a qb that you can build a team around. Again, despite an overall poor game Cutler put the team in a postion the win late in the 4th qtr. The Bears need to protect the ball and learn to finish drives. however, it is really difficult when there is such an unbalanced attack combined with poor exectution, poor decisions and questionable play calling and personel management. 5) tackling much better tonight Negatives: 1) The redzone picks were disasterous and need to be corrected 2) The OL is a absolute mess 3) too many penalties - absolutely unexcusable 4) ST was not that good tonight 5) running game is non-existent

I also agree as head coaches have enough trouble being the head coach let alone the DEF Coordinator as well!

Since we still don't have a good full back - we had Polite now with the Fins.

Thanks for posting this as it has been driving me crazy living here in Denver and having to listen to people worship Orton and hate on Cutler. At the begginng of the season I bet my friend Dave lunch that Cutler would have a better year than Orton and mean more to his team. Dave emails me every week the stats and last friday this email pushed me over the edge and think the altitude has gotten to him or he is used to overating QB's like Romo as he is a Cowboys Fan. I was to pissed to respond ansd didn't. Let me know what your response would be to the folowing chain of emails? RE: Orton, Cutler, and the Long Ball‏ From: David Sent: Fri 11/06/09 2:04 PM To: 'Joel K Unaltered statistics are facts, Joel. That “lies” quote refers to mis-interpretation and deception, not objective inference. Are you saying I altered or mis-calculated the figures? Seriously, if you didn’t believe in hard statistics, you wouldn’t be in finance. -------------------------- I’m trying to stay away from subjective opinion, but since you asked for it: Opinion: I wouldn’t take Orton over Romo. Their performance has been fairly similar, and Romo is the most experienced QB in Dallas’ system. However: 1. I’d take Orton as a backup for Romo anyday. 2. If I had the choice between him and Cutler, I’d take Orton, no question. I think he’s the better leader, more accurate passer, and the Cowboys saw last year what poor attitudes like Cutler’s can do to team dynamics. Sorry, but that’s how I see it. - Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joel K Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 1:42 PM To: David Subject: RE: Orton, Cutler, and the Long Ball There is a saying I like which is this: "there are lies, damn lies and then statistics!" My point is that stats are not facts! You seem to be enamored with Kyle and the stats thus far but would you be willing take Orton over Romo should Kyle hit FA at the end of the season? I am sure the answer would be no! If Orton and Cutler were both FA's and Romo was not the qb in DALLAS who do you take? I'm assuming you would take Kyle? I wonder what other Cowboy fans would think if you posted this a s hypothetical questions on the Dallas forum? That would be interesting to know. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: david To: jpk Subject: RE: Orton, Cutler, and the Long Ball Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 13:24:34 -0700 Joel, Of course you and I have different subjective opinions. That’s why our little wager was based on stats. It’s the only objective way to measure performance. ------------------------------- Oh, since you suggested it, here’s a comparison of the two with the Broncos: 2009 Orton vs. 2008 Cutler 1-10 yards: Orton: 43-of-70 (61.4%), 88.5 passer rating Cutler: 103-of-160 (64.4%), 90.3 passer rating 11-20 yards: Orton: 44-of-70 (62.9%), 80.9 passer rating Cutler: 106-of-160 (66.2%), 90.6 passer rating 21-30 yards: Orton: 38-of-59 (64.4%), 114.6 passer rating Cutler: 87-of-147 (59.2%), 80.3 passer rating 31+ yards: Orton: 22-of-32 (68.8%), 107.3 passer rating Cutler: 88-of-149 (59.1%), 82.0 passer rating It’s even more clear with this comparison. Cutler has an edge on short-yardage, but Orton is considerably more accurate with long-yardage passes. You may like Cutler better than Orton, or think Orton doesn’t throw the ball deep very well. But the facts tell a very different story. - Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Joel Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 1:02 PM To: David Subject: RE: Orton, Cutler, and the Long Ball You can not rely on statistics alone as proof of who is a better downfield passer. I am forming my opinion based on what I have evaluated by watching both QB's. What do these stats look like when you take away Orton's immaculate deflection/ reception in game one? Clearly the stats do not take into consideration the awful OL play in Chicago or fluke plays. Why don't you compare what Orton does this year to what Cutler did last year statistically with Denver as the supporting cast on offense is essentially unchanged. The point is there is no way to compare these guys apples to apples from a performace factor and statistically speaking which is why I will take Cutler over Orton based on my persoanl observations. Another intersting thing will be to see how much the Broncos value and appreciate Kyle. Will the sign Orton to an extension; if so for how long and how much $ ? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: david. To: jpk Subject: Orton, Cutler, and the Long Ball Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:25:50 -0700 Joel, Since you brought it up yesterday at the class, let’s take a look at Orton vs. Cutler on passing stats by length (links are to current 2009 stats): 1-10 yards: Orton: 43-of-70 (61.4%) for 352 yds Cutler: 45-of-70 (64.3%) for 398 yds 11-20 yards: Orton: 44-of-70 (62.9%) for 464 yds Cutler: 45-of-70 (64.3%) for 518 yds 21-30 yards: Orton: 38-of-59 (64.4%) for 513 yds Cutler: 41-of-65 (63.1%) for 473 yds 31+ yards: Orton: 22-of-32 (68.8%) for 288 yds Cutler: 22-of-34 (64.7%) for 288 yds It’s close, but there you have it. Cutler is better in the short pass (1-20) categories, Orton is better in the long pass (21+) categories. Surprised? I’m not. Still think Orton is only a short-yardage QB? - Dave

What bar in Denver is a Bears Bar?

With the latest issue with LJ and the Chiefs it is highly possible that he could be avaiable and a change of senery could do him well. I think LJ and Forte would make a nice rotation. Would you trade Harris for LJ?.