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I thought Zay Jones was very impressive. Played himself into the 2nd round.

I hate any offseason plan that involves Jimmy Garappalo.

10000% agree. Not only did it set the franchise back in terms of wasted picks, it ruined a potential franchise QB to the point that all potential contact terrified him enough he absolutely dismissed mechanics.

Short memory my friend. Kyle Long was moved to a more difficult position because the team saw how he absolutely dominated at OG. They thought, "Let's see how damn good he really is." Cody Whitehair was moved to C because Grasu got injured and the Bears just picked up this fancy new rookie who projected well at all interior OL positions, and even mentioned it in interviews. Whitehair literally said he could/would play C. As for Williams... Short version: http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2010092...orts/309299883/ http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-08...imi-camp-battle http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-08...t-soldier-field http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-08...-webb-mike-tice 2008 - Started out injured, never started as a result. 2009 - Moved to RT to accomodate Pace, when Pace sucked Williams got moved into LT, where he did OK. 2010 - Started at LT, injured hammy, Tice inexplicably moved him to LG after injury. Tice chooses Omifail at LT and Jamarcus freaking Webb at RT (because he chipped Tice's tooth on a blocking sled). 2011 - Starts at LG while Webb gets gifted the LT spot, which is crazy because Carimi was drafted as a RT because Webb sucked so bad at RT. Yeah, because LT is so much easier. Carimi to IR. Bears try out a collection of bums for various OL positions. Cutler is on roller skates nearly the entire season. Going into the 2012 season, just about everyone agrees that Webb sucked/sucks, and shouldn't be the guy going forward. 2012 - Williams moved among three positions, not given direction by Tice, straight up misled by Tice, legitimately does better than Webb in the preseason, and never gets a fair shake because the OL sucks so bad otherwise that his versatility could be used as a bandaid in multiple locations. Meanwhile, oh, big surprise, Webb's still horrible. So bad in fact, the Bears have to triple team Jared Allen (remember that embarrassment?) Cutler publicly yells at him and bumps him on the sideline (remember that ridiculousness?).

Fighting words. I absolutely didn't want McClellin.

Could you explain in a bit more detail how you're doing this? When I post the link into google.com's search bar, it just shows me a link to the story. It doesn't show me the story. I'm not paying for the freaking trib.

This is to gauge the thought process of everyone here. This could be used to help move the "Post-FA Everyone Agrees Mock" forward. Calais Campbell is pretty much the #1 DE available that could fit the 3-4, and Eric Berry is the undeniable FS choice available. Since there are no comparable FA QBs, the combo of FA QB & RD1 pick wasn't included. With that said, what is your preference? I chose Eric Berry & Jonathan Allen.

Absolutely. We did it last year, but most just were happy to default to the original. I think this offseason, more than any I can remember, has a variety of paths the Bears could take.

So is this thing done? Aside from hot debate between a 1st RD QB or another position, and then debate about whether it should be Allen at DE or Hooker/Adams at FS, are we really in "agreement" here? 2017 EVERYONE AGREES MOCK - VER 2.0 1. Jonathan Allen, DE, Alabama - Nearly half the board is upset, regardless of the pick 2. Pat Mahomes, QB, Texas Tech - Assures Barkley doesn't start 3. Budda Baker, S, Washington - Gives the Bears a solid back-end 4. Chad Wheeler, OT, USC - Potential for either side 4. Kevin King, CB, Washington - Good size/speed combo, cohesion with Baker 5. Fabian Moreau, CB, UCLA - Rising draft boards, could be a steal 7. Pharaoh Brown, TE, Oregon - Skilled pass-catcher with injury history

Oh, make no mistake, I've proven it. Go back, look through the archives. He got jerked around something serious by the Bears coaches during his time in Chicago.

You joke, but I actually think the mock draft websites and team reps on major sports sites look at boards for ideas. I'm 100% convinced of it. Far too often over the years an idea or player has been suggested here, and a week later there is a matching article somewhere.

They only had one year of overlap. Bennett did well with Cutler. And Chris Williams got screwed in Chicago. Please don't make me prove it for what seems like the 10th time on this board.

Take it with a grain of salt since he's stuck in Cleveland, but... http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/1855957...s-rusher-not-qb

For a total team draft, I agree. But the only cohesion possibility is Watson, Leggett, Scott. In fact, I'm completely sold on the fact that if the Bears get Watson in RD1, they should grab Leggett in RD3. I'm also sold on Trubisky + Switzer. I've been a fan of Switzer for 2+ years now. He's going to be a very good NFL slot WR. If the Bears get Trub, I want Switzer in RD4-5

Yeah, I pointed him out a few weeks ago. Good size/speed combo. His athleticism and production should be enough for an early day 3 pick. If he keeps getting good press at the senior bowl, he's likely gone in round 2.

I've been thinking about the concept of cohesion via draft lately. With this draft, there are several scenarios where players could be drafted to create immediate cohesion, assuming that type of bond carries over to the pros. Do you believe it works? Or does the NFL speed/ability difference make the cohesion of rookie opponents negligible? For instance, if the Bears were to draft: RD2: Sidney Jones, CB, Wash RD3: Budda Baker, S, Wash RD4: Kevin King, CB, Wash or RD1: Mitch Trubisky, QB, UNC RD4: Ryan Switzer, WR, UNC or RD1: Jonathan Allen, DE, Bama RD3: Tim Williams, OLB, Bama RD4: Eddie Jackson, S, Bama RD5: Dalvin Tomlinson, DE/NT, Bama or RD1: Jamal Adams, S, LSU RD2: Tre’Daviorous White, CB, LSU or RD2: Damor’ea Stringfellow, WR, Ole Miss RD3: Evan Engram, TE, Ole Miss RD5: Chad Kelly, QB, Ole Miss Would that expedite the cohesion process among teammates? Would you be happy with groupings from teams like portions/all of the above? I think I'd be pretty happy with various combinations from above. I think I could get behind just about all of the above, provided the missing picks filled other needs.

Yeah, agreeing to all the trade down possibilities is impossible for everyone to agree and work on. But ideally, I'm definitely a trade down fan. At #3 the pick has a ton of value, particularly with a thin QB class. And since it's clear the Bears have several needs, it would be ideal to pick up a few extra mid-round picks. I love the value of 2nd and 3rd round, even some 4th, in this draft.

Back to the point of this thread... -QB in the 1st round got outvoted. We knew that was going to be the most debated issue. -DE won out over S in regards to the players available. I could add a poll, but the specific preferences appear to solve the debate for a quorum. -Allen may or may not be worth the #3 pick. Most think he is. -Having a surplus (i.e. DE + OLB) with financial obligation is a valid discussion, but most would probably draft Allen if he is worth the #3. Unless more join in on either the side of the Safety in round 1, or more have a valid issue against Allen at #3, then he has to be the pick. No other player appears to be worth the #3 in the consensus of mock draft sites and sites that have players ranked on big boards. What I want to know is, are there objections to the specific players or positions drafted? Surely this process is not over already. Have we talked about mocks enough that we just got to an end result quicker? Or is it less up for debate because the #3 pick sort of pigeon-holes us into very few possible decisions that A. Fill value, and B. Fill need?

That guy can write it how he wants, and Marino can misremember it all he wants, but I just broke down the film. Every freaking play. The fact of the matter is, Marino dropped back to pass 33 times, was sacked 3 times, and penalties were involved a couple other plays. Of his 27 pass attempts, only 10 were 5-step drops. And one of those was a 5-step drop on a shotgun. Out of those quicker developing plays, he was sacked once, threw one INT, and only completed two passes. One of the completions was a short ~3YD pass. The other one was that 5-step shotgun, on which he also got outside the pocket, and it resulted in a 52YD pass to Duper. The Dolphins didn't beat the Bears because of quick reads like you're thinking of, or how we think of the WCO of today. They beat the Bears because they got one of the biggest flukes in history on the Hampton deflection to Duper for a 42YD TD (7-step drop), and they blocked a punt at the end of the 1st half that set them up for a gimme TD (one of the ones to Moore) on a pass that Marino actually took 8 or 9 steps on his drop-back, and Moore just happened to juke Wilbur. For the sake of argument, here's all their offensive plays: Drive Play Pass Shotgun Step-Drop OTP Result 1 1 Y 7 1 2 N 1 3 Y Y 7 Incomplete 1 4 Y Y 7 Y Huge throw to Duper downfield 1 5 N 1 6 Y Y 7 TD 2 7 Y 7 Y Short gain 2 8 N 2 9 Y 7 Incomplete, offsides 2 10 N 2 11 Y 5 Incomplete, Fencik blasts Duper 2 12 Y Y 7 Duper drops short crossing route 3 13 Y 5 Incomplete 3 14 N 3 15 Y 7 Sack 3 16 Y Y 7 Back shoulder big play 3 17 Y 5 Play-action, sack 3 18 Y 7 Post-route, big play 3 19 N 3 20 Y 5 Play-action, incomplete 3 21 N TD 4 22 Y 5 3yd gain 4 23 Y 8 Big play, holding 4 24 N 4 25 Y Y 5 Y Roll-out right, 52yd to Duper 4 26 Y 5 Horrible overthrow under pressure 4 27 N 4 28 Y Y 7 Y Pressured out, big gain to Clayton 4 29 N TD 5 30 Y 8 Incomplete 5 31 Y 9 Moore jukes Wilbur for a short TD 6 32 Y 5 INT 7 33 N 5 Y Clayton barely misses deep out completion 7 34 Y 7 35 Y Y 7 ~20YD Completion, strip by Richardson 8 36 N 8 37 Y 7 Dump off pass to open RB, drop 8 38 Y Y 7 Deflection off Hampton for 42yd TD to Clayton 9 39 Y 5 Play action, overthrow while under pressure 9 40 N 9 41 Y Y 7 Overthrows inside collapsing pocket 10 42 Y 5 Incomplete slant, Richardson in coverage 10 43 Y 9 Quick 3YD out to Clayton, PF on Bears 10 44 N 10 45 Y 7 Clayton with mid-slant catch, runs backwards 10 46 Y 8 Marino with 22yd pass on back pedal, Otis bad read on zone 10 47 N 10 48 Y 7 Dent with great bend, gets the sack-strip 10 49 Y Y 7 Y Marino throws it deep but out of bounds 11 50 N 11 51 N 11 52 N 11 53 N 11 54 N 12 55 N 12 56 N 12 57 N

This is everyone's ranking on GBN's top 200 board. If they fall out of the top 200, that pretty much puts them out of the draft. If they didn't make the top 200, I went ahead and made them UDFA. Name Position School GBN Desmond King CB Iowa 31 Dan Feeney OG Indiana 43 Chris Wormley DE Michigan 55 Dion Dawkins OG Temple 56 Adam Bisnowaty OT Pittsburgh 68 Jourdan Lewis CB Michigan 75 Zay Jones WR East Carloina 76 Dawaune Smoot DE Illinois 80 Julien Davenport OT Bucknell 85 Jaleel Johnson DT Iowa 86 Kareem Hunt RB Toledo 91 Cooper Kupp WR Eastern Washington 93 Jeremy Sprinkle TE Arkansas 94 Rasul Douglas CB West Virginia 98 Corey Clement RB Wisconsin 101 Tyler Orlosky OC West Virginia 102 Amara Darboh WR Michigan 108 Obi Melifonwu S Connecticut 114 Vince Biegel OLB Wisconsin 123 De'Veon Smith RB Michigan 134 Kyle Fuller OC Baylor 140 Zach Banner OT USC 142 Issac Rochell DE Notre Dame 151 Ryan Glasgow DT Michigan 169 Brendan Langley CB Lamar 172 Carroll Phillips OLB Illinois 174 Aarion Penton CB Missouri UDFA Tarell Bashman DE Ohio UDFA Larry Ogunjobi DT Charlotte UDFA Stevie Tu'ikolovatu DT USC UDFA Sam Rogers FB Virginia Tech UDFA Connor Harris ILB Lindenwood UDFA Ben Gedeon ILB Michigan UDFA Jordan Herdman ILB Simon Fraser UDFA Haason Reddick ILB Temple UDFA Colin Holba LS Louisville UDFA Kyle Kalis OG Michigan UDFA Jordan Morgan OG Kutztown UDFA Derek Rivers OLB Youngstown State UDFA Taylor Morton OT Western Michigan UDFA Toby Baker P Arkansas UDFA Zane Gonzalez PK Arizona State UDFA Sefo Liufau QB Colorado UDFA Nate Peterman QB Pittsburgh UDFA C. J. Beathard QB Iowa UDFA John Johnson S Boston College UDFA Lorenzo Jerome S St. Francis (PA) UDFA Nate Gerry S Nebraska UDFA Mike Roberts TE Toledo UDFA Jonnu Smith TE Florida International UDFA Trent Taylor WR Louisiana Tech UDFA Jamari Staples WR Louisville UDFA Amba Etta-Tawo WR Syracuse UDFA Jalen Robinette WR Air Force UDFA

Adam - RD1 QB=N, No Trubisky, Garrett/Allen RD1, TE mandatory, Needs: QB/LT then CB/S, (S,OT,QB,CB,TE,DL,WR,K) Alaska - RD1 QB=Y, Deshaun, Needs: QB,CB/Safety (possible 2nd QB later), RD4 OL agreement Ashkum - RD1 QB=Y, Deshaun, O>D, Kevin King RD4, Chad Wheeler > Julie'n Davenport RD4 (multiple OTs), CB RD1, Needs: CB/QB AZ54 - RD1 QB=Y, Trubisky1/Kizer2, No Watson, D>O, Needs: QB/Safety, Adams>Hooker/Peppers, Chad Wheeler>Julie'n Davenport after RD3, QB #1 need, CB #2 need Bears4Ever - RD1 QB=N, RD1 S, RD2 QB Boston Boxer - RD1 QB=N, Garrett/Allen > Peppers/FS Bowlingtwig - RD1 QB=N, Needs: CB/LT, Need early RD 2ndary, D>O, Chile - RD1 QB=N (No Barkley), QB RD2, DE/S/CB in RD1, RD7 round kicker, Needs: CB/FS Chitownhustla - RD1 QB=Y, Needs: QB/LT Connor - RD1 QB=N, QB in RD2, CB/S in RD1 Daventry - RD1 QB=N (too many needs, Barkley potential, RD1 QB ?'s) Garrett/Allen RD1 Dawhizz - RD1 QB=N, Garrett>FS>Allen RD1 DBDB - RD1 QB=Y, FS #3 if forced to choose, would be OK with Allen, Peppers overrated killakrzydav - RD1 QB=Y, Watson/Trubisky/Kelly/Kizer, O>D, No S @ #3, Garrett>QB, Needs: OT/S/CB, Kaaya "garbage" Lemon - RD1 QB=N, BPA, Allen potential at #3, No Cam Robinson RD1, high on Fabian Moreau, CB potential 2nd round Lucky Luciano - RD1 QB=Y, CB @ #3 in RD1, Position importance: QB, LOT, CB, DE. RT in RD3-RD4 MadLithuanian - RD1 QB=Y, Trubisky-lite, Needs: QB/FS then CB, TE mandatory Mongo - RD1 QB=Y, Trubisky, O>D, Hooker>Adams @ FS, Draft an OT NYC - RD1 QB=Y, Needs: QB, WR need within 3 rounds Pixote - RD1 QB=N, RD2 QB, maybe another QB >RD3 also scs787 - RD1 QB=N, Garrett/Allen RD1, FS next RD1 option Stinger - RD1 QB=N, Must draft QB this year, No Trubisky, No Cam Robinson RD1, No Peppers RD1, TE mandatory, Adams/Garrett/Allen RD1, S in RD1 QB voted down. DL leads S/CB in the 1st. -Ashkum & AZ both think Wheeler is better than Davenport at OT, and both are projected around the same time. -AZ raises questions about Mahomes in the 2nd, but seems OK with the pick. -Adam, Madlith, & Stinger think TE is mandatory. Right now that trumps the one mandatory WR vote from NYC. -Two CBs also trump the one mandatory WR vote because everyone seems to agree there needs to be a focus on CBs, which is problematic since one isn't drafted until RD4. Too many holes with not enough picks. With that said... 2017 EVERYONE AGREES MOCK - VER 2.0 1. Jonathan Allen, DE, Alabama - Nearly half the board is upset, regardless of the pick 2. Pat Mahomes, QB, Texas Tech - Assures Barkley doesn't start 3. Budda Baker, S, Washington - Gives the Bears a solid back-end 4. Chad Wheeler, OT, USC - Potential for either side 4. Kevin King, CB, Washington - Good size/speed combo, cohesion with Baker 5. Fabian Moreau, CB, UCLA - Rising draft boards, could be a steal 7. Pharaoh Brown, TE, Oregon - Skilled pass-catcher with injury history

Getting anything for Cutler at this point sounds like a great deal to me. It's pretty clear to all that his time with Chicago is finished, and something in return would be nice.

We'll have to agree to disagree overall, but two points: 1) The Dolphins did not win with the offense you describe. They got Marino outside the pocket a bunch, and Marino had a bunch of 7-step drops. It wasn't the 3 and 5 step drop system you're referencing. 2) The DL over other positions is not my opinion. It's just what the majority of the board chose. I'm not suggesting what to do. I'm attempting to leave my "picks" out of the equation.

I don't agree with that line of reasoning. If they both turn out to be pro bowlers, racking up 15 sacks a year, you pay them both and you figure out where to save elsewhere. It's the same dilemma if you have to pay two pro bowl players at any position. Besides, if the two pro bowlers are DEs who constantly terrorize QBs, the CB and S needs are minimized. If the DEs are Bruce Smith and Michael Strahan, you can put below average DTs in the game and have great success. And if you're running a 3-4, all you need is a massive space-eater at NT.

Adam - RD1 QB=N, No Trubisky, Garrett/Allen RD1, Needs: QB/LT then CB/S, (S,OT,QB,CB,TE,DL,WR,K) Alaska - RD1 QB=Y, Deshaun, Needs: QB,CB/Safety (possible 2nd QB later), RD4 OL agreement Ashkum - RD1 QB=Y, Deshaun, O>D, Kevin King RD4, Julie'n Davenport RD4 (multiple OTs), Chad Wheeler RD3/RD4, CB RD1, Needs: CB/QB AZ54 - RD1 QB=Y, Trubisky1/Kizer2, No Watson, D>O, Needs: QB/Safety, Adams>Hooker/Peppers, Julie'n Davenport after RD3, QB #1 need, CB #2 need Bears4Ever - RD1 QB=N, RD1 S, RD2 QB Boston Boxer - RD1 QB=N, Garrett/Allen > Peppers/FS Bowlingtwig - RD1 QB=N, Needs: CB/LT, Need early RD 2ndary, D>O, Chile - RD1 QB=N (No Barkley), QB RD2, DE/S/CB in RD1, RD7 round kicker, Needs: CB/FS Chitownhustla - RD1 QB=Y, Needs: QB/LT Connor - RD1 QB=N, QB in RD2, CB/S in RD1 Daventry - RD1 QB=N (too many needs, Barkley potential, RD1 QB ?'s) Garrett/Allen RD1 Dawhizz - RD1 QB=N, Garrett>FS>Allen RD1 DBDB - RD1 QB=Y, FS #3 if forced to choose, would be OK with Allen, Peppers overrated killakrzydav - RD1 QB=Y, Watson/Trubisky/Kelly/Kizer, O>D, No S @ #3, Garrett>QB, Needs: OT/S/CB, Kaaya "garbage" Lemon - RD1 QB=N, BPA, Allen potential at #3, No Cam Robinson RD1, high on Fabian Moreau, CB potential 2nd round Lucky Luciano - RD1 QB=Y, CB @ #3 in RD1, Position importance: QB, LOT, CB, DE. RT in RD3-RD4 MadLithuanian - RD1 QB=Y, Trubisky-lite, Needs: QB/FS then CB Mongo - RD1 QB=Y, Trubisky, O>D, Hooker>Adams @ FS, Draft an OT NYC - RD1 QB=Y, Needs: QB, WR need within 3 rounds Pixote - RD1 QB=N, RD2 QB, maybe another QB >RD3 also scs787 - RD1 QB=N, Garrett/Allen RD1, FS next RD1 option Stinger - RD1 QB=N, Must draft QB this year, No Trubisky, No Cam Robinson RD1, No Peppers RD1, Adams/Garrett/Allen RD1, S in RD1 QB voted down. DL leads S/CB in the 1st. If that changes, the mock changes. With that said, however, it appears that if the Bears draft Allen at #3, nearly everyone agrees the following two needs are S & QB (in whatever order), assuming the picks are not huge reaches. Assume Myles Garrett and a QB go with the first two picks. 2017 EVERYONE AGREES MOCK - VER 1.0 1. Jonathan Allen, DE, Alabama - Nearly half the board is upset, regardless of the pick 2. Pat Mahomes, QB, Texas Tech - Assures Barkley doesn't start 3. Budda Baker, S, Washington - Gives the Bears a solid back-end 4. Julie'n Davenport, OT, Bucknell - Potential for either side 4. Kevin King, CB, Washington - Good size/speed combo, cohesion with Baker 5. Josh Malone, WR, Tennessee - Good prospect, great size, underused at TN 7. Fabian Moreau, CB, UCLA - Rising draft boards, could be a steal