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Was watching C Williams today and his play hasnt been impressive. (its called eye test) but did notice Lalatu Latu (edge from UCLA) and he has been impressive. He is 6'5" 265 at 22. He has 13 sacks this year with 1 game left to play. He had 30 pressures up to todays game.

I agree with that for the most part . Constantly changing coaches every 2-3 yrs never works out. He has 7 games to prove his worth but the NFL measures success by wins. If he goes 4-3 or better, I think he will be back. If not a change will be needed. He has the same disadvantages that Fields has, poor roster and inconsistency from Getsy calling plays. If we only win one or two games that means Justin isnt playing well and Getsy is not doing well with the game plans and we will have new faces here next year.

If we end up changing coaches, we should keep Todd Monken's name in mind. He was the OC at Georgia from 2020-2022 and hid first year in Baltimore and their offense is balling with a similar QB to Justin Fields. Lamar Jackson has 12 TDs and 7 Ints with 2441 yds. 535 yds rushing with 5 TDs. That's we should be doing with Justin.

Do you guys think all fan bases are as fanatical as this community? Example: keep Fields- dump Fields, Its such a wide divide. I get losing incites people but we have to keep in mind that this is the first time we have ever seen a complete rebuild. It's usually a new coach, add a few pieces and we can compete. Poles had 17 of 22 new starters, 43 0d 53 man roster are new, 2 drafts. Why does everyone compare to anomalies? Houston, Detroit? This is Detroit's 3rd year, Houston has a great rookie QB with 2 first round OTs in front of him, decent weapons', a new DC as a coach. Detroit was 1-7 last year before they went on a winning streak to finish 9-8. This our 2nd season in the rebuild and have went 3-3 in our last 6 games. Yes we beat some bad teams but bad teams have easy schedules. Houston is on a run but lost to a Carolina team 2 weeks before we played them. This is Flus first head coaching job along with Getsy as a OC. Anytime we lose this much , as a fanbase , we want to blow it up. Flus still has players making effort, usually they start to just go thru the motions. Since he took over the D , they are playing a lot better. Run D is now 3rd instead of 32nd last year. we have a good group of DBs which is almost all healthy. He picked up Sweat to help our pressure game. I think If healthy, we can be a top 5 D instead of last as we did last year. With so many young players, it is just going to take longer to get up to speed. If we win more games than we lose in the last 7, Flus may not lose he's job. The last time we hired a new coach it was a OC but how did that work out with Nagy? Poles has set the team up with great draft capital and cap space. I think we are one draft away from making a playoff run. As far as Fields goes, he has some moments that he shined but many bad moments. Is it fair to him to judge his growth with a bad roster and spotty coaching? I think not.

Listen to Olin on the SCORE today and he made a good point with Justin, he needs to show up late in games 3 or 4 times and they win some of those games. That's what good QBs do. It's about Prime time playing, then we will know if he's the real deal.

A lot of mediocre teams in the league, as soon as you think someone is good they crash. Philly is clearly the best at this moment. SF, KC , Miami, Detroit, Dallas, Jacksonville, Ravens, who knows who is riding high at the end of the year. Its called parity. If we can go 4-3 or better to finish the season, it will be a sign we are trending up. Only Detroit doesnt look beatable.

It takes a lot of things to be a winning team. Upgraded talent will help, better coaching will help, good health cant hurt. For us to get there it has to start showing up now. A better defense is great but we have to start getting TOs and stop turning the ball over. Then we can get on a steak.

Im already driving again and starting working again with caution. I know my body well enough to know it will be okay as long as I dont do trauma to it. Doctors always use the same timeline for everyone, I have always healed quicker than normal, now if I end up paralyzed, I made the wrong choice. That is where the positive attitude comes in.

I agree with that just not throwing him away with 7 games left.

I get he has deficiencies but that doesn't mean he can't correct them. In the one game he threw 16 passes in a row, that can't be dismissed as luck. It would be different if he has never shown his upside but we have seen good games out of him. If you're doing the eye test on Josh Allen lately, you would question how good he is but we know what he is capable of. I'm hoping he does well and no question who our QB will be going forward but he needs consistency. He has 7 games to show it . It's easy to say a new QB will be better but thats so hard to find these days. Trevor Lawrence was the last great thing and he hasn't passed the eye test yet.

That's cool, I broke my neck August 23rd. C1 and C2, has limited me but not as bad as your situation. I get my collar off December 20 so it won't interrupt my winter travel. My biggest problem is my lack of activity while waiting to heal. I get the pain but will tell you it gets better. Attitude matters. Be positive.

It really is misleading to throw stats from the last 2 yrs and definitely from his first year that was a waste. Agree with your perspective. The defense is getting better and the OL is almost completely healthy. We are about to see a more competitive team going forward.

If we keep Getsy Maye fits the scheme better than Williams. Otherwise let the new OC figure in the pick. If we use the same logic as , Mitch went to NC, then that would mean Stroud should not be good because he went to OSU.

Probably because some experts say he is the best pure pocket QB in the draft. North Carolina career 580/878//7555 69.3 60 TDs-13 Ints 157.9 QB rating in 28 games

To be honest, IDC who the QB is as long as Poles makes the right choice. If its Fields better for drafting blue chip players instead of drafting a QB high, If he balls out ,Fields would bring better draft capital in a trade if Poles wants to draft one. We should all want him to be good , writing him off with 7 games left is premature. Poles may pull a rabbit out of his hat and draft Jayden Daniels/LSU. When Lamar Jackson gets picked at 32, J Hurts at 53, its not a perfect science. Penix, Nik, McCarthy, no one knows for sure but I do know if the defense is good, and we have MHJ, DJ and Kmet, an OL , its more likely a QB will shine. If the defense keeps getting better , i wouldnt care if Flus stays as long as a OC can put together a good offense, hell it still could be Getsy but I doubt it.

Sewell still has some questions but if he came out a year earlier many draftniks said he would be a top 15 pick. He had 115 Ts, 8.5 TFL. 4 sacks.1 Int , 5 PDs and 2 FFs. as a LB

I'm not disagreeing with you , you have a better shot in the top 10 at being good but also lots of failure when you pick there and they are bad. Those moves get you fired. Just for reference, the top QBs get paid the big money. Out of the top 5 , here is a pick 32-53-75. There is arguments for any kind of point someone is making. Then you have people like Prudy, Howell, and Dobbs playing well that isn't even in the conversation. It could end up being Bagent in 2024 bring the surprise. There is no easy answer. I will just trust Poles to make the right decision while we throw our opinions out there.

Can't argue with anything you said. Talent, a good coach and then a good QB. The hard part is finding them ,its hard to do in the NFL.

You're right, I was thinking about his fifth year option that would have to be picked up in 2024 that would be his 2025 salary. good catch

If you want to go by stats: Howell( #144), Stroud (#2) Tagovailoa (# 5) Josh Allen (#7) and Jarod Goff (#1) If you want to go by top paid: Burrow (#1) Herbert (#6) Jackson (#32) Hurts (#53) Wilson (#75) If you want to go by perception: Mahomes (#10) Burrow( #1) Allen (#7) Hurts ( # 53) Jackson (#32) Up for debate Not sure what your point is, Burrow is the only top QB that was drafted first overall.

Swifty is an overzealous Bears writer that gets clicks. I like that he is always positive but over does it sometimes. We need another edge, center, 3 T, FS and probably a QB. I dont think we draft a LT high because Braxton keeps getting better. My nightmare is we trade Fields to Atlanta, we draft a QB that takes 2 years to develop and Justin leads Atlanta to a SB appearance. Then we have to compete against him for the next 8 years trying to get a SB appearance. MHJ would be a nice consolation prize if we don't draft a QB high.

QB talk gets mentioned in almost every thread, since it wont be going away until after the draft, might as well keep it in one spot. My take: I want Fields to succeed, i want Bagent to be good, for me its what is our best course going forward. Option 1) Fields balls out and we use our 2 top picks to acquire a boat load of top 100 talent. I would prefer to get MHJ somewhere in the mix. Justin has 7 games to prove himself or I will be out with him. Even if he plays well Poles may decide there is a better QB to draft, the big money he will have to pay in 2025 may already have sealed his fate. Option 2) Draft the next great QB , the problem is which one is it? In the last 6 years only one #1 pick turned out great Joe Burrow and because of a lousy OL, he has gotten beat up. Lawrence and Murray are still being judged but saying great isn't even a choice. Mayfield has been serviceable and Young has a long way to go. in the last 6 years Burrow, J Allen a #6, L Jackson at #32, J Hurts at #53, Herbert at #6, T Tagovailoa at #5. Only one was the #1 pick. Its about picking the right QB and having a team developed and the right coaching. Harbaugh designed an offensive to fit Jackson,(it worked out) but the best example is Hurts. He was given an OL, some weapons and a great defense. He didnt start playing well until his second year but took off in year 3 when they traded for AJ Brown. I would say they have had good coaching since he came there. Poles needs to figure out if there is any great QBs in this draft. ( I think that's still to be determined) Option 3) Let Fields play out 2024 at 25 mil and draft a prospect . If Fields finally gets it , you can always trade a QB prospect for something. If he doesn't you have whoever you draft ready to take over with a year to learn being in the NFL. If Poles gets some first round picks in trades you can still draft one with 2 more 1st round picks again in 2025. Option 4) Bagent sits and learns for another year and becomes a starter in 2025 after Fields fails. ( long shot) Poles has to win in 2024 to keep his job. Does a rookie QB help do that ( CJ Stroud) or do you get a( Bryce Young) ? Ideally Fields balls out we go 5-2 and there will be no discussion on drafting a QB. We draft MHJ and a Dallas Turner or JerZhan Newton and we make a run at the playoffs. (doubtful) j

None of this conversation matters if we dont get either of the top 2 picks . With 2 picks in the draft we can trade the first for a ransom and could still get a top pick. I think we get a top 3 pick and also a top 10 pick. I never said wait until the later rounds to draft a QB . There are more misses than hits at the top of the draft and Im not sure there is any generational QBs in this draft just because some football people claim that. I would actually prefer Maye to Williams . Trevor Lawrence was suppose to be great and he still doesnt look like a great QB. I would be more comfortable with MHJ and JJ McCarthy than Williams at #1. I will trust Poles to do the right thing, Im just a fan, he loses his job ifs he's wrong.

You're probably right. 2018 1st round QBs: #1 Baker Mayfield #3 Sam Darnold #7 Josh Allen #10 Josh Rosen #32 Lamar Jackson 2019 QBs #1 Kyler Murray #6 Daniel Jones #15 Dewayne Haskins 2020 QBs #1 Joe Burrow #5 Toa Tagovailoa #6 Justin Herbert #26 Jordin Love Note; Jalen Hurts # 53 2021 QBs #1 Trevor Lawrence #2 Zach Wilson #3 Trey Lance #11 Justin Fields #15 Mac Jones 2022 QBs #20 Kenny Pickett Note; Sam Howell #144--- Brock Purdy #262 2023 QBs #1 Bryce Young #2 CJ Stroud #4 Anthony Richardson Note: Will Levis #33 ---- Out of the first QBs taken only Joe Burrow is the real deal. Murray and Lawrence still have questions. Jackson #32 , Hurst #54, Josh Allen #7, Tagovailoa #5, and Justin Herbert #6 are the real deal. It doesnt have to be the first pick, more have failed than succeeded.

I guess the best way to put that is draft a QB ( not with their first pick) and give Fields this yr and next to ball out. If he fails the new QB is in the house.