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Justin isnt an elite player, probably would have a hard time finding 10 élite QBs in the league but that is your measuring stick? Unless Poles finds an elite QB, we are going to have this conversation every 2 yrs. How about just a QB that we can win with and sometimes he's the reason. Against the Browns Prudy 55.3 QBR, Jackson 67.8 QBR, Lawrence 65.2 here's what elite QBs did against that defense and they all lost.

We will progress forward and if EJAC is back , it will be on a restructuring of his contract. That's only if Poles hasn't been able to replace him. A new FS, another edge player, add another 3T. We can be a dominant defense.

My first reaction to yesterday was to burn everything down but after listening to tons of people evaluate the game, I have settled down. We played the #1 defense in the league and it's not even close. We dominated the game for 3 quarters and then a handful of plays shut us down. Had Tonyan not dropped an easy catch, had the refs called the Brown's end line TD properly, no TD ( his second foot was half out of bounds). Even after several bad plays, we could have won with the last play of the game. We are a team in the second year of a 3-4 year conplete rebuild but for some reason the Bears are expected to win. Most people said the most important factor in this season is to see if Fields is the LT answer at QB and for us to keep getting better. Everyone predicted 5-8 wins except my optimism of 9-10 wins. We are right on track with he expectations, we are getting better and know the answer on Justin. I don't think new regimes are brought in and have to be successful in the first 2 years when they told you it will take 4 but everyone is going nutzo because we aren't instantly a winner. Not sure that's a fair assessment. We are better, 6-8 wins probably, and see some players getting better. I think everybody knows we need an upgrade at QB if Poles thinks there's one out there. Fields isn't terrible, he has some good traits but because he's not the next Andrew Luck , we should throw him away. Poles will get another QB but not sure he will also just throw Justin away when he doesn't have to make that decision yet. Poles needs to start winning, next year. What gives him the best chance to do that. I'm not sure it's a rookie QB but, it's his job on the line , not mine. Is it a new coach, not sure he is ready to burn it down in year 2. Definitely see Gretsy leaving but not sure Flus will be gone. If everyone wants to blame Flus for his bad, we also need to give him credit for his good. He has a part of the defense being better whether people want to admit it or not. I think we are right on track with Poles schedule of when we are good again.

If Poles changes coaches, we will have a new QB. Unless the new coach wants Fields, which is unlikely. Like you said 2-2 in games, not sure anything he does changes Poles mind . A few things may change the scenario. 1) that maybe we dont get the first pick 2) Poles evaluation of the rookie QBs turns bad.

As you laid it out is the best option .Get picks, a QB prospect, and keep Fields.

i think you are right about Mooney, after the injury last yr he hasnt been the same. Poles expected him to regain the form he had before the injury and he didnt. He had Claypool and neither of them worked out. Drafted Scott and he hasnt been productive. He dropped the ball in the WR room and will add some more in the draft . Tonyan is a bust, if he caught that deep pass, we would probably be celebrating instead of searchng for answers why we lost.

This is his fifth yr option yr. i very well cant show the difference on a future option next yr. The website is only in real time. Im showing you what happening if a 5th yr option player would have been traded in his yr. If cut, the club eats it, if traded his salary is transferred to the new team. So in Justin's case you have to place the option on him by May in 2024. In 2025 if the rookie is doing well and you decide to trade Justin , you dont eat any cap.

Just no TOs and a 8 minute drive. Remember its the top D in the league.

just no TDs please

That's exactly what cant happen

Now this where a Fields comes into play.

hahaha, Cleveland.

Browns offensive is almost as embarrassing as our offense.

This game will go down to the wire and be decided by a FG, hopefully its the one we have on the board.

If they trade Fields after they pick up his option then those rules apply.

We have 2 scores up, we need to keep the TOs coming. At least we had a drive go somewhere.

I think its a wet field and doesnt think he can make it type of thing. But no time left anyways, so why not?

This the lonk with Brian Burns 5th yr option. There is a drop box that yo go to to choose, cut or trade. https://overthecap.com/player/brian-burns/7807

I am looking at Over The Cap website and states if he is traded you have no cap hit, if you cut him you eat it all.

Even if you trade him after picking up his 5th year option next yr. , you dont have to worry about eating his salary, it goes with the trade. The money is not a restriction.

No one is disagreeing with that, yes its guaranteed, but if you trade him the salary goes to the team he's traded to. Look at any 2022 contract of a player that is playing on a 5th yr option in 2023., if traded, you are not paying his salary. ( Over The Cap website.

To clear the point on the 5th year option, I just talked to Greg Gabriel on X, according to him, the 5th year option is guaranteed but it is his salary for that year and not a bonus, so if you trade Justin, you are not responsible for his salary unless you agree to pay it in a trade. Why would we do that?

Another starter injured for Browns on the OL

This is the single biggest game since we played LA in 2018. Nice to have games that mean something.

Did the defense start slow last week, i cant remember? Cleveland got a first down.