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This is his fifth yr option yr. i very well cant show the difference on a future option next yr. The website is only in real time. Im showing you what happening if a 5th yr option player would have been traded in his yr. If cut, the club eats it, if traded his salary is transferred to the new team. So in Justin's case you have to place the option on him by May in 2024. In 2025 if the rookie is doing well and you decide to trade Justin , you dont eat any cap.

Just no TOs and a 8 minute drive. Remember its the top D in the league.

just no TDs please

That's exactly what cant happen

Now this where a Fields comes into play.

hahaha, Cleveland.

Browns offensive is almost as embarrassing as our offense.

This game will go down to the wire and be decided by a FG, hopefully its the one we have on the board.

If they trade Fields after they pick up his option then those rules apply.

We have 2 scores up, we need to keep the TOs coming. At least we had a drive go somewhere.

I think its a wet field and doesnt think he can make it type of thing. But no time left anyways, so why not?

This the lonk with Brian Burns 5th yr option. There is a drop box that yo go to to choose, cut or trade. https://overthecap.com/player/brian-burns/7807

I am looking at Over The Cap website and states if he is traded you have no cap hit, if you cut him you eat it all.

Even if you trade him after picking up his 5th year option next yr. , you dont have to worry about eating his salary, it goes with the trade. The money is not a restriction.

No one is disagreeing with that, yes its guaranteed, but if you trade him the salary goes to the team he's traded to. Look at any 2022 contract of a player that is playing on a 5th yr option in 2023., if traded, you are not paying his salary. ( Over The Cap website.

To clear the point on the 5th year option, I just talked to Greg Gabriel on X, according to him, the 5th year option is guaranteed but it is his salary for that year and not a bonus, so if you trade Justin, you are not responsible for his salary unless you agree to pay it in a trade. Why would we do that?

Another starter injured for Browns on the OL

This is the single biggest game since we played LA in 2018. Nice to have games that mean something.

Did the defense start slow last week, i cant remember? Cleveland got a first down.

Im not going down any road I just stated you can call me a moron whle using nice words and I'm not blowing up. Not sure why that triggers you, you choose to address my opinion in a negative way. I'm saying that is the proper way to do.

What I do think is that you think you're right and no other opinion means anything. If we win out, make the playoffs and Fields balls out , you will still have your opinion and that's ok.. I totally get what you're saying, I dont agree with it, OBVIOUSLY. This is not a contest, Poles may very well take Williams and the history of the Bears may win 2 SBs , ect. You just cant dismiss other options because you disagree. Everyone on here understands your points, not just me but other people disagree with you also. Its not me against you, its just opinions.

The salary cap is definitely something to keep in mind but like you said other teams seem to manage, that IF that matters in 2026, I trust Poles to figure it out. That's not even saying I think Justin is even here then but for next year it just isnt something you focus on. If everyone thinks Williams is the guy, 3 21st round picks, a second now and in the future or some players back. I dont think he will even want to bring in another big contract (Crosby) but add someone with upside in his first couple of yrs on a rookie contract. NE, Kyle Duggar/S, Cole Strange/OG ( he played some snaps at OC in college. OR Cardinals- BJ Ojulari-Paris Johnson jr . all of those would be cheap contracts for several yrs. Falcons Drake London- Matt Bergron .

Prescott is playing well now but Dallas has struggled with the thought he is a Mahomes type and questioned paying him the last time they paid him and have to do it again. No one paid Daniel Jones, Russel Wilson and Kyle Murray thinking they are their Patrick Mahomes. People can think that they are good enough to win a SB (building the team around a QB) w/o thinking they got there because of the QB. Its calling winning with a QB not winning because of the QB. Here again I have to state I have never said ( IF you think you have a super Bowl QB then there is an argument for going all the way to that contract. If you think that QB makes the players around him better - throwing lesser receivers open etc.) Yes I am hoping for progress but Paying him 50 mil a year has nothing to do with having him being the QB in 2024 or and 2025. You think it is just one or the other, its not. That doesnt mean you cant draft a QB and still have Fields our QB in 2024 and or 2025. Its just gives Poles more time to evaluate Justin. KC drafted a QB and still won with Alex Smith and changed QBs the next year. Poles was in KC when that happened. Having the top pick in the draft doesnt mean you have to pick a QB with that pick. Many people think trading that pick can get us a 2023 draft type of trade haul that has given this team a huge lift in roster building. No one ever thought Mahomes would turn out to be who he is, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Montana, Farve, Warner just pick a name. There might be that QB in this draft but I think trusting Williams to be that guy is a risk. Poles is in a better spot to decide that over our opinions. Here again I will state I trust Poles to figure that out and will be excited for whoever he thinks is our QB of the future even Fields. I think the most logical choice is to keep Fields for 2024 and still draft a prospect. He's not going to hold out or the newly drafted QB not play here because his feelings are hurt. I am not the only person that thinks the way I do, many former QBs think we should keep Fields and several fans polls that say 70% of fandom think we should run with Justin. 30% agree with you AND they are just opinions.

See you can play nice, (terrible naive thinking) is much better than, ignorant, moron, brain dead or whatever other words you used. He probably does know what he's going to do but for some reason, you think he totally has your opinion. I am throwing out the other options that you completely dismiss. You can bring back Justin without declaring ( top 5 SB QB). You can go into 2024 with the thought you are going to draft a QB and not get the guy you wanted and then pick up his option without thinking (top 5 SB QB). You can think that we can win with Justin not being a great QB, great D, good running game, upgrading the roster ( MHJ or Bowers, Turner or Latu). We seem to be doing that now. IF, a big IF, we win out and make the playoffs that will affect on Poles views the future. For some reason you keep putting words in my mouth. No where have I ever said Fields is a top 5 SB QB. I have said on many occasions that if Poles decides Williams is the guy, I have no problem with that but I will let him decide that not you. They can go forward with Poles picking up the option and still draft a QB in the 2025 draft. 25 mil is not a CAP KILLER. You have been right all along that Fields play, this year hasnt settled anything, but assuming any drafted QB option is a better choice than having Justin back is terrible naive thinking. My opinion all along has been bring back Fields and draft a QB to develop not in the first round and let him develop. There are several options and I never said your view is not a sound option, I just disagree that it is the only option.

There's no right or wrong answer when you've expressing opinions, everything is speculation. If your money answer is the right way to do things, why are QBs getting paid and teams not just drafting new QBs every 4 years? 12 QBs are making over 40 mil a year. Only one wins a SB every year. The best team in the league at this moment has a 7 th rounder starting for them right now. Those teams seem to be making the cap work. Dallas , Philly, Baltimore, KC, and Buf are all competing while paying their QB.