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Why trade him if he brings no value? He still has a chance to play at least 5 games. That may up his value.

Next year if you cut Whitehair pre June and Jackson post June 1, it cost you 8 mil in dead cap but saves you 24.5 mil in cap space .Both have tapered off and we already have 111 mil.

Absolutely, its not an easy process and good GMs screw up all the time, the key is to get more good than bad.

When we assess this year we have to consider injuries have affected our win total. DBs are coming back and the defense is starting to play better. The OL has been a mess due to injuries. Jones has been out, Jenkins just came back, and Davis starts playing well , injured. Whitehair had to play guard and goes back to OC , with issues. His problem was his injured hand and not sure that isnt still effecting his snaps. The original starting 5 looks like that would have been good but hard to go 8-9 deep in the OL with good depth in a second year of a rebuild. Hard to correct that problem in season. The only way to compensate is with play calling and we can see that's not helping. Injuries are part of football but we need at least one more year to build the roster. We have a great cap space and 2 1st round picks to correct that. If Jones doesnt come back , we have to draft a OT, probably a QB. That eliminates an edge rusher and Harrison as choices in the first round. Maybe Poles can do magic 2 years in a row and gets us extra picks for one of those high picks.

I dont think Fields is great but he is here for the rest of this year so I try to find reasons to support him. My argument has always been that this year will determine his future. Even with the injury, he still has some games to play. Im just not writing him off when you have an inconsistent play caller and a line that doesnt give him time to succeed. He is a hard worker, tough competitor, best running QB in the league. He was given DJ this year and it has helped in his development. Yes your criticism has merit, if he cant correct that, he's not a franchise QB but the year isnt over with yet. His first year with Nagy was a disaster so I so i dont even count that year as development. I look at him as in his second year and am finding out the play calling isnt helping him succeed .Even though he played bad defenses, Getsy had a moving pocket, gave him any RPOs to run. Instead of establishing the run and giving him play action , he sets him in the pocket to get hammered from a team that blitzed 71% of the time. Bagent comes in in the same scenario but was given quick throws, to 3 steps and throw, any time he took longer , he made mistakes, fumble and interception. Fields deserves blame for bad play but play calling and OL did not do him any favors. Several QBs had bad days on Sunday, Allen, Hurts, Purdy, Fields was not alone.

If they change coaches, not sure Warren is a Harbaugh fan. they clashed a few times when Warren was the Big 10 leader.

I'm just curious how the team would react if Fields plays OK but doesn't ball out when he plays again. He is clearly a leader and has relationships with players that are going to still be here. Then Poles gets rid of him and drafts another QB?

Anyone that would trade Mahomes for Fields would have to be a complete idiot. Suggestion that I would do that isn't exactly a compliment. But okay.

Brock Purdy was the last pick in the draft seems like he should have been at least a mid round pick. Football is kinda weird that way.

If we get another coach he will be having some input into that choice. You think Lincoln Riley wants a pro job?

I just react to comments you make and then you start bashing men. If you keep going there, I will follow. You make this stupid comment over me posting some. stats (If you truly mean what youre saying, then youre saying if you were Chiefs GM, youd trade Mahomes for Fields?)

This may be a plus plus for the team to be able to get 3 or 4 games to evaluate Bagent and still get enough games to still look at Fields. Getsy will keep it simple for Bagent to be able to let him succeed.

For all accounts he is just doing advance scouting and does data work reporting to Flus. Flus is overloaded and trying to figure it out. With all that said the defense played well this week. The week before our game Minny played KC scored 20 points and 329 total yards while JJ went out early in that game.

So you mean someone like Sean Payton or Bill Bellchick? Or a great offensive mind Brian DaBoll.

5 games is not enough time to judge a player in this season when he will have at least 5 more games to look at him. The whole purpose of this year was to see if Fields is our long term answer and the injury will confuse that judgement. No intelligent GM is going to say (, we dont need to see anymore and blow off the rest of the year.) Why would they? The rest of the year will determine his fate. Let's say, he thinks like you and thinks he is terrible and trades him in two weeks, for a 5th or 6th round pick.(injured QB) Then he goes to Atlanta and balls out for the last 5 games. That would tell us how stupid Poles may actually be. The stats only show he is not as terrible as some people suggest because he has similar stats as the best QB in the league. That doesnt make him great but at least deserving of the rest of the year to judge him. Truthfully the injury has already probably sealed his fate. Poles has to judge what his best option is and that includes the rest of this year. The rest of the year will also determine who the best QB in college is, it may not be Caleb Williams. I'm still trying to figure out how you read my mind and knew I would trade for Fields if I were the Chiefs GM. Those are very private thoughts.

After all this (kill the QB ) speak yesterday , I see Swifty post this on X .I was buying into the( its over) narrative but its actually not. Worse case he has 5 more games to prove his worth. Poles keep listening to fans last year (didnt get him weapons) and makes an in season trade for Claypool . That was his mistake to listen to fans, he just needs to wait until the end of year and make an intelligent decision. Swift Sports Network @SwiftyNetwork · 2h 2023 Season Stats: Justin Fields 12 TD, 6 INT, 95.4 Rating, 1,201 passing yards Patrick Mahomes 11 TD, 5 INT, 96 Rating, 1,287 passing yards

Injury history and age always comes into play. The winner could be Drake Maye from Duke. No one knows yet.

Unfortunately we don't know anything and then when we do know, will they give us all the facts? Bagent will play at least the next few games, and they will keep it simple for him and he will do okay. Brock Purdy 2? I doubt it, but may be the intern with a drafted QB next year. The defense is starting to play better , so if can establish the run and put Bagent in a decent position to succeed we still may win a few games.

No matter how well a college QB does its hard to translate to the NFL. Its traits, good coaches, the right situation , many variables that go into the answer. A new coach will have a say in the next draft, what if he wants to keep Justin with an up and down rest of the year? or we draft a QB and doesnt think he should start his fist year? So many things to play out, just t early to figure it out now.

In 2009 Seahawks were 5-11 , Pete started a rebuild and went 7-9 in 2010 also had 2= 1st round picks. , 7-9 in 2011. He brought in Cris Cleamons (11 sacks) and M Lynch (1024 yards) 2011. In 2012 he drafted Russel Wilson and started winning. He has done very well in Seattle but didnt win until his 3rd year. He is one of the best examples of a good rebuild similar to ours, lots of teams didnt do so well. The key he drafted a QB. Carroll had the best organization in college football before he came to the NFL, Flus was a DC with a GM that never did it before. The point is , its to early to fire everybody.

We hired a new regime at the beginning of 2022, not 5 years ago. Poles actions dictated a complete rebuild that experts say takes 3-4 years. We had the worse roster in the league last year but for some reason everyone should be fired less than a year and a half into that rebuild. I am probably the most optimistic fan on here , disappointed as I am, its not even 1 and a half years into it. This year was the year of seeing if Fields is a franchise QB, so far it doesnt look he is and the injury will confuse that choice. Poles will decide at the end of the year, not 6 games into it. The report on coaching is headed to a change at the end of the year or maybe sooner depending on the continued losing. Getsy gets most of the criticism on play calling and its justified, more bad than good. Flus is over his head but not sure if most coaches succeed in this situation. People want an offensive mind hired but so soon forget we did that Nagy, top aid OC at that time. Losing brings out every narrative you can imagine , so nothing looks good but Poles has added talent, mostly young players that need time to develop that no one wants to give them. he has brought some vets in, some good and some bad. The truth is DJ Moore and Edmunds are the only new players getting paid. Poles has fixed our cap hell and got us DJ, Wright, Stevenson, 2025 2nd, and probably a #1 pick with one pick. We didnt have a 2022 first round pick. What will he do with 2 first rounders? Our future is not set in stone it will change for the better in 2024. We are basing our opinions on everything happening now, that was just high expectations. Reality: maybe 3-4 wins and 2 top 5 picks, great cap space, a new coach, probably a new QB or more draft capital from a trade. This was never going to be the climb to the top of the division year, I just dreamed it would be. Poles isn't going anywhere.

Not sure if it's that long. I suspect 2 to 3 games. Its just about gripping the ball. I smashed my thumb with a sledge hammer and a fracture. It was almost normal in one month.

This is going to be a rough year but lots of high drafts picks is coming soon, that doesnt really make me feel good about this year though.

It is easy to see a defense that is getting better a little bit every game, take those TDs away from the TOs and the defense played okay. The OL played better last week and couldnt handle the blitz today(some could be line calls, coaching) so our offense struggled. Until we either upgrade or get hurt players back, we are going to struggle. Whitehair was bad today, he will be gone after this year. Probably with a Brock Purdy type QB , we wont have anymore OL struggles. OLines dont have to block when your QB has rhythm.