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It will be a camp injury by a contender that will force them to get some help. May spill over into the season. Best case scenario is he plays well. Robinson and Gipson look good and a trade pops up that hooks us a 3 rd pick. If we have a winning season may just end up staying for one more

I get the mobility thing these days. I plumbed for 50 yrs and beat my body up. At 69 it doesnt always work well. I have had both knees and hips replaced. 3 herniated discs, and the worst distraction is arthritis. But I work out weekly, do Yoga every day and it helps me be kinda normal. The odd thing is the more activity I have, the better it gets, overall but its hard to get to the point of feeling good. Take a lot of supplements but honestly, a positive attitude helps the most. My entertainment is usually sporting events and music concerts but as I get older, sometimes seems more of a chore than a joy, but it makes the positive attitude work so much better. I travel a lot but I suppose that will be hard at some point in time. Thankfully going to Thailand being 20 hours in the air, is still doable. Just have to always be looking forward. Try Yoga for help, it was a game changer for me. The cool thing is you can go at your own pace until you get to a point of being flexible. You are in my area, and there are classes available.

Last time I went to Platteville, a friend with me last name was McMahon. There was a bar where only the Bears players could go in after camp hours. Dont remember the name. He told the security that he was Jim McMahon's cousin and they let him in. He got to party with the players for a couple of hours.

I think it goes back to a reason this happened at this time. He just didn't pull this out of the air and Poles thought ( A good day to fire someone). We will never know but very curious why. Hopefully Soup says something about it.

I agree with your opinion but would say something directly happened that caused this . If he was just installing his guys, he would have purged the room a long time ago. If he was the go between in the locker room to the new regime, maybe something as simple as telling everyone that Quinn would be here and then he didnt show up. Sometimes its just a personality clash. He was on the board that directly hired Poles, but maybe he was the only one that didnt want him our of the group. Greg Gabriel said this kind of stuff happens and the reason never comes out.

They use data that you can use to analyze talent but they get it wrong so much , it has to be the lack of intangibles in their opinions.

PFF listed us as the 30th worst DB in the league. They list other teams higher that had high rated rookies coming in but didn't give us any credit. I can't wait , next year we'll be in the top 10 . They are trash.

Fangio is one of the better D minds in the league but has failed as a head coach. Probably not all his fault but the head coach takes the blame for losing. Nagy was an enigma when he first came in. He limited his offense in 2018 and got mild success. As soon as he went high gear on (his) system things fell apart. This regime will rely on the run (good thing) and build around Fields as the offense goes forward. We added height and speed on O and that will help Fields progress. With all the talk of good or bad, I think a lot of people are not taking into the account of Fields being a lot better this year. Because of our lack of offense in the past, we dont get excited with offensive projections but I think it will be a giant step forward.

He improved from his first yr to the second. He has went to TE U to learn. He goes and works with Justin in the offseason. He may be limited by his athleticism but he can be a top 12 TE. This year he may not get more catches but higher yds per catch and TDs. He has become a better blocker. I think with the speed we added it will open up the field for more of Kmet.

If you're going to look at different players now is the best time to do it. It will inform them where to start and mix up what works best. If things follow as patterned, Sam Mustifer may be the surprise offensive player by starting. If that happens, I think it will be at OC not at OG. He played well for 6 games in 2020. Was bad last year after gaining 30 lbs. Maybe losing 10 lbs will put him in a better spot to play better.

The Gordon thing could be a contract situation, he hasn't signed yet. Nobody was just talking about it. It could be a minor injury that they aren't talking about either. We will find out in one month.

He may start the season out on the IR, two teams turned him down, so obviously there was a problem.

That may be the case, we dont have any idea what value the Bears put on their oline until they put on pads. Its a little premature to assume Jenkins is a bust because he was put on the second team. At this point the only thing that matters is that he is healthy and go from there. One month from now we will be complaining or praising what they did. As you said we dont know.

The moving OTs around is trying to get insight into their potential to start. Before training camp starts they may bring in Fisher or Brown to man the LT spot. They are still available. They have a month to evaluate what they have. I think Jenkins to the second unit could just be they know what they have and wanted to see what the other OTs looked like with the first team. I think if they don't think the OTs are up to it, they will bring someone in. Also I can see them bringing in a vet OL to take Doziers place. Daryl Williams is idea because he could also play RT. There are still options out there.

The only team that would be a playoff contender with some cap space is Las Vegas. There roster appears to have a need as they didnt resign a couple of pass rushers for free agents. The problem with the Raiders is this yr they pay Adams 8.5 mil, next year Adams has a 30 mil cap hit. There cap money goes down to 8 mil. next yr, the problem would be if they trade for Quinn, his next yrs cap hit is 17 mil, if they cut him its a 12.5 mil dead money hit. That blows their cap in 2023 out of the water. So even if we want to trade him, not that easy.

The first game is crucial. SF possibly changing QBs and Deebo contract problems, we could upset them at home. If that happens, I can see us starting 3-1 and the confidence level sky high. That would mean defense is playing well and don't get rid of the Quinn if they have a playoff shot.

If Kreutz is right and Mustifer ends up starting at one of two positions, is that going to piss everybody off? Although not blue chip talent, we have 16 OL on the team right now. There is two at least average or about average players in Patrick and Whitehair. A second round pick that has great upside in Jenkins. So out the 13 other OLs, somebody has to stand out enough to at least be an average player for this yr. When called upon Mustifer played well in 2020. The Oline coach had him gain 30 lbs and he had a bad yr. Olin said that he didnt handle the weight well. Olin is helping him train and should have realistic input into him getting better. I would say they ask him to lose some weight to adjust to what they are looking for. Also Sam could go back to center because Patrick could still call line plays from RG spot. Patrick has played more guard than he has OC sinced his time in the NFL.

So what is his worth if we eat say 50% of the money? 3th or 4th? No way anyone is giving you more if they know you want to get rid of him. Logically he has more value on our team if you have to eat money. You get offered a 4th and 6 th next year and then pay half his salary? Why would they do that? Because an old dude didn't want to come to minicamp you dump him? That's something Pace would do, I don't think Poles is that dumb.

One aspect not brought up is the fact they know what they have in Jenkins and are trying to see how others do playing with the #1 team, what they are capable of. As it looks maybe they view Borom as the swing tackle. Someone else suggested that. . Olin Kruetz said , the starting 5 will be Borom-Whitehair-Mustifer-Patrick-Jenkins. I'll go with Olin unless we add a vet. He trains Mustifer, so his opinion may be bias but the truth is he knows what it takes to be a NFL lineman.

Kmet worked out with Fields also, and I'm sure he will be there. I like they are taking this seriously. Can't always tell what young players will do once they get paid. I don't think this is that common where whole groups get together with their QB to build chemistry.

When they can hit, that's when I will be judging the line play, both sides of the ball.

Quinn stated just before the draft, he didn't want to be traded, so until he comes out and says different, I'm just going with, he's old and is just shorting his camp work, lazy. The Bears also said they want him here. Or he wants a bum in contract because of his18.5 sacks last year? We don't know until he talks.

I've been the dog the last few years, I need to play until I get smarter or lucky, Victorious Secret

He would be ideal, can play OG and OT. Olin Kruetz tweeted that the starting oline will be Borom Whitehair- Mustifer- Patrick- Jenkins. Unless they bring in someone else. He said to not rule out Mustifer on this line, he works hard and knows what he needs to do to be better.

There has to be a conversion going on for the coaches to say they aren't concerned at Quinn not being here. Because of his age I can see him passing this camp , his skill set is not something you need to practice for as long as he is up on defensive scheme. He was in Dallas when Marinelli was there. Same scheme. I think everyone should be here, but doesn't happen that way. No big deal until he's not there at training camp.