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The way NE has played the last two weeks, its seems like a win for us is improbable but they have lost 3 times this yr so there is always a chance. The key will be if we can not turn the ball over and be able to run the ball. Their strength is rushing the ball , so if should be a low scoring game which we should be able to keep it close the whole game. I would say we win 17-13. In their 3 losses they turned the ball over 8 times. In two of the losses they run the ball well also but in the GB game they gave up 199 yards rushing.

Its very similar to the Von Miller trade the only difference is at the time of the trade Miller had 19 tackles and 4.5 sacks where this year Quinn has 7 tackles and 1 sack. So it would be risky for someone to trade for Quinn but with a late round pick , someone may take that chance. I dont see anyone giving a high pick for him, maybe a 5 th rounder.

The only situation where a team trades for him is if one of their pass rushers got hurt and it only cost a 6th or 7. Not sure who falls into that category. If they trade for him and cut him next yr they would be some dead money on their books. Not sure on that works.

How much will someone will value a player making 17 mil with one sack and 5 tackles?

In most drafts you are lucky to have 10-15 blue chip players. Not sure on that will play out in this years draft but if we have a high pick, I have no doubt, Poles will trade back for more picks.

I have been reading where people are getting on Mooney for not coming down when he first caught the ball at the goal line in the last game. If you watch the replay, he catches the ball but as he was coming down the WRs helmet was rising into the catch and displaced the ball. I dont think 95% of the WRs in the league would have caught that at first. He gained control as he hit the ground but was not in the end zone. The last two passes were spot on with Fields. Pettis had the ball in his hands the play before and didnt hang on. That was his fault. 4 times we were in the red zone and only scored 1 TD. Easily could have won that game but a misplaced fumble again lost it for it. At least they cut IS-M .

Adam started this thread on the concept that we have a top 10 pick (6 th) at the moment. I was reacting to picking the WR in the top 10. Personally I think we will be between 15-20 as far as picking him which he may fall into that value. He needs to get productive quickly to even be a first rounder.

He may not be the speed demon or athletic monster but maybe he can catch the ball.

Just watch a game and you can watch Fields get hammered by someone almost every play. You only need one guy to get beat. Yes he holds on to it to long but that is fixable as he is more trusting of his WRs. He's thinking to much.

I think you never try to lose, Poles is trying to build a team and had a difficult situation trying to change our cap problems and bring in players that may have potential. A few are going to stick. Watts, J Jones, Morrow, and then build threw the draft. Still lots of questions to answer but if the season ended today, Brisker, Gordon, Jones, Ebner, Gill, Roberson, and Jones will end up being team builders. V Jones being hurt thru the pre season up till now prohibited his growth. Definitely not a punt returner. They know that know and will gradually work him into the offense. We still have some high end draft prospects that still have time to prove there worth. Leatherwood, Harry, Kellen Diesch, Joel Blackwell, Tevon Wesco , Sterling Weatherford. Next yr we will add WRs from FA and the draft. We will add to the OL and DL. The question will be answered on Roquan Smith . I think we keep Monty to a team friendly contract. I think Fields proves his status, hopefully he can stay healthy. Our core: J. Johnson, Jackson, Brisker, Gordon, Vildor, Morrow, Roquan, Robinson, Gipson, Al-Q Muhammad, Watts, J Jones, B Jones, Whitehair, Jenkins, Borom, Kmet, Monty, Herbert, Ebner, Fields, and Mooney. A few more could still prove themselves this yr.

We were on national TV which exposes Fields to the rest of the country. If any of those teams are winning it quiets the negative. I think a lot of it has to do with the national take being, not very good, so they just like to say they were right.

Am I missing something? He only has 4 catches on the year. Not sure that will qualify him as a top 10 pick. He has 4.52 speed which isnt great . I think they will take the best player available. That could be OL, DL or WR. I think we will have a high enough of a pick to get a good WR in the first couple of rounds. If we end up top 5, I bet he trades back for more capitol first.

First of all we are not going 2-15. We have two potential losses in NE and Dallas but after that, although I lowered my predicted win total from 9 to 7-8 and down to 6-7. Our DBs are just going to get better and better. Our forcing TOs should rise with that improvement. If we start doing some more blitzing to get more pressure, that will affect the pass rush going forward. Our weakness will be against the run but if it forces teams to run a lot, it will keep scores down to where we can still be in games late. We seen some improvement in the Wash game although they arent very good at that. Our OL will improve once Whitehair is back and Patrick moves to OC. Jenkins, Jones and Borom should improve going forward to cut down on mistakes. The coaches will adjust to keep Fields more upright. I think the short week hurt on preparation to the last game. We gave that game away with impotency in the red zone. I am optimistic that we will improve going forward. We could have won any of our last 3 games. Even in the GB game , GB had a goalline stand with 8 minutes left. If we punched that in 24-17 would have put us with a chance at the end of the game. I think every game is going to be a fight but they all will be close to give us a chance to still win at the end of the game.

I listened to some NFL pundits , Trent Dilfer and Jim Miller and they had good prospective on the game. Jones had a bad game but after watching it, he rarely had help on the outside. We run better when the FB is in. Fields problems according to them were not enough time, thinking to much, tried to fit the passes into windows instead of just throwing it to the WRs Trust issues. All of that is fixable. Also stated that Getsy has his hands tied because of the weaknesses at WR and the OL. The only thing I see he needs to do is roll out Fields more . The coaches are all in a learning curve just like new players. I am not sure Leatherwood helps us this year. He started all of last year and was the worst rated RT at pass blocking, our weakness. Harry may be able to help in both the running and passing game. Leatherwood may be the long range RT with Borom being the swing OT. This game was so winnable with being in the red zone 3 times. And the last play of the game was 6 inches away from a win. The defense played well. Watts and Jones are good rotational players but we still need a stud 3T that I suspect we draft. I think we resign Monty but to a team friendly contract. He is overall a better player than Hebert. We have a nice mix with both. The DBs will be the strength of the D going forward. Johnson, Brisker, Gordon, Jackson and Vildor is a good mix .

Poles came in last yr with a huge job trying to fix our roster with limited cap space and draft picks. His philosophy was build thru the draft and sign club friendly FAs. In the draft he took the best player available. WR: All the best WRs were either tagged or traded. You had Kirk, A-Rob, JuJu, D J Chark, MVS, Landry. There was no way we could afford to pay Kirk 17 mil a yr., or JuJu 10 mil. The only one that may have worked out was Jarvis Landry but at 29 was not in the youth movement ideology. Drafting a WR: at 39, Pickens, Pierce, Sky Moore were available. At 71 instead of V Jones our choices were David Bell, Jalen Tolbert, Danny Gray. We had so many weaknesses, would we be better off taking Pickens or Pierce or David Bell or Tolbert instead of Jones, only time will tell. OL: We tried to get Brian Allen, Joe Noteboom and Ryan Bates. We struck out on all of them but we didnt have the money to get in a bidding war. Bengals signed, Cappa, Karras, and Le'ul Collins. In 2019 they had a first round pick Johan Williams. There OL is not very good. With limited space we werent going to get the better OL players. We could have brought Daniels back but was he worth 9 mil a yr? DL: We tried to get Ogunjobi but he is doing anything in Pitt at 8 mil this yr. The other best choices got paid big contracts. Poles is clearing going with development of the two young OTs instead of Rieff or Schofield. So we are stuck with their learning curve. Whitehair and Patrick injuries have disrupted the IOL. Whitehair is our best OLmen and I think we dont have any options till he gets back in 3 weeks. I think Jones, Whitehair, Patrick, Jenkins and Borom are the best options we have. In 2023 I think we keep Whitehair, Jones, and Jenkins. Borom gets upgraded and we find a new OC. Jones will play out to see if we need to upgrade LT. In 2023 RTs choices are Eigton Jenkins, Conklin, or McGlinchey. OC choices are Mitch Morse, Quessenberry, or Bradley Bozeman. WRs: JuJu, Lazard, Agholor, Chark, Jacobi Meyers, and Landry. They is no #1s WRs in FA so we will have to draft one but can upgrade our WR room with JuJu and a Jackobi Meyers. In FAgency I would like to sign Jenkins and Morse, and if LT doesnt work out , draft one. I think Poles tried to fix the OL , how different would it be if we got Brian Allen and Ryan Bates. Hard to compete with the Rams and Bills for those players. I think we stick with developing Fields because with a high draft pick we would try to draft a QB that has the same traits that Fields have, just commit to Fields.

Jenkins is a good watch. He is on the Score every week and has some good comments. I also like Swift Sports network too.

Fields had his hiccups but two players over the last 3 games have cost us wins. V. Jones and IS-M. Take those plays away and we had a good chance at wins. My takes: Fields is a tough kid , he keeps getting up after being beat up every game. I think I only saw one roll out. I dont get it, you have a strong D line your playing and you keep putting him in a pocket. V. Jones and IS-M need to be sitting on the bench. We need to find some WRs that can hold on to the ball. Defensively we played well, we had timely blitzes that Williams doesnt normally do. Is Fields missteps because he keeps getting beat up and is getting gun shy plus not trusting WRs to catch the ball? There were other WRs open but keeps feeding Mooney. I dont think there is fixing the OL or WR room during the season. Whitehair comes back and moving Patrick to OC is about the best we can expect. Whitehair cant come back until Nov 6 against Miami. 2 more games of this crap against good defenses. I listened to Jim Miller on the Score around 1230 today, and was very insightful. He made a lot of good points about the development of Fields. Instead of throwing it to the WRs he is trying to guess what the WR will be. Example when he led Griffin to much. Everyone was saying Griffin slowed down but he was wide open and just throw and hit him in the numbers. He thinks to much. Example he had Pettis wide open across the middle but tried to hit Mooney because he trusts him more. You can replay the Score on Audicy if you didnt hear it.

I dont know if he would be better but I do know, he cant be worse.

In order to be an effective TE, you have to give him targets, they now are trying to do that. They are changing strategy to get the ball to the more consistent targets, Mooney and Kmet. It will get better.

Quinn is not producing, why would anyone trade for him? We will have to consider adding a pass rusher in the draft considering we dont have a consistent rush.

Harry was the best blocking WR in the league last yr. I can see him playing a lot but more in run situations. Wentz is up and down a lot, he is going into the game hurt, so if we finally can get a little pressure, he should turn the ball over. We havent been blitzing at all, maybe to generate a little more pressure, we need to add that in. Roquan and Brisker in blitz mode wouldnt hurt.

Everyone has an opinion, I absolutely love when national pundits say something positive about Fields because that is rare. I think we could be seeing him progress into an top 10 QB, not necessarily this year but going forward. With a challenged OL and WR room, he still can show progress into a top QB.

Roquan is a 5 year piece that will contribute to us winning. Quinn isnt playing well enough to command a high draft pick in a trade.

I was putting a Gazebo together for my daughter and was listening on the radio. It was 21-3 when I started to watch, and then it started to change. You have to give the coaches credit, they have these players believing they can win and usually show up after they adjust. Itmir Smith-M actually lost that game for us. He had a penalty on the Fields run that was called back that we had to settle for a FG. Then instead of going out of bounds, Smith-M makes a play to the right and gets the ball taken out. If that didnt happen , I totally believe we would have tied the game. Not sure if we would have won, but I dont feel bad after this lost. I normally bang my head against the wall when we lose but didnt feel like it this time. Barring injuries, we will slowly get better and the second half of the season will look a lot better. The second half, the OL played excellent. It didnt seem like the same line. Of all the teams I follow , I am not sure why, but the Bears are the only team that bums me out when they lose. It literally bothers me all day while I listen to Bears talk after the game. They are starting to get Kmet and Mooney involved in the offense. We just need one more WR to show up regularly and our offense will look much better. I have to say that one catch by Mooney was one of the best catches in the league all year. That reminded me of Beckham Jr when he first came into the league. That ball went 50 yds in the air and Fields put that in the only place he could have caught that.

A lot of pundits say we didn't upgrade the positions around Fields enough to get an honest opinion on his future. I'm not sure how we could have did that was the cap situation we were in. Poles decided to bring in a bunch of FAs with potential rather than spend the money on a rob or someone like 17 mil for Kirk. If you look at production, the only WR among FAs is Kirk at 10 and no other ones in the top 40. I don't think Kirk is a #1 but he is being paid as one. I don't think any FAs would have been successful in our current offense the way its been playing. We didn't have enough money to upgrade the WR, OL and defensive backfield in 2022. We didn't have a first round pick or enough high picks to address all of our weaknesses in1 draft. I guess I'm saying Poles did the best he could considering the situation he started with. He did set up next year to be a game changer as to upgrade our overall talent. I still think we will see improvement and 7-8 wins down from the 9 I originally thought would happen.