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I got the point of your first post was that what ruined Cris Williams and therefore moving Long will do the same thing. Being first round doesnt really have anything to do with it. Williams was never any good, they moved him with the hope he would be able to add something at another spot. Long, switched from LG in college to RG in the pros and made two pro bowls. Then , although he did not play as well, his switch to RT was not a bust. He is athletic enough to play anywhere on the line. I think the reason they will move him and it makes sense, is Sitton played 5 years on the RG spot and is more of a mauler than Long and will fit better in that spot. Long being a better mover will allow more help for Leno when needed. Yes Leno is our weak link and we did not address it, but you can never fix every problem with that years draft. We have a new OL coach, I feel his input is being added to the mix. Leno should improve his tackle ratings at least by maturity and maybe with the new coach. Does he still need to be replaced, yes but with Long and our new TEs we will scheme better output by Leno and the overall ability of the OL with improve. Two years ago we were rated one of the worst OLs in the league, last year, I think we moved up 10 spots. With one more year of experience of Whitehair, and Long being healthy all year, it will naturally be better. If Massie plays OK and Leno improves, one of our strengths will be the OLine. And by the way, I agree with you that we should just move him to LT, but am not badmouthing this move just because I agree that would make more sense.

Im not sure I can buy Cris Williams- Kyle Long as a good comparison scenario.

As far as the OL, if was much better than the year before, and Long was hurt for most of the year. This year will be better than last year. IF Massie plays like he did later in the year, he will be acceptable and Leno should improve. He is still the weak link on the OL but with obtaining Sims as a blocking TE, he will be moved to both sides to help out the OT spot. Also they are moving Long to LG to maximize his athleticism that will help out Leno. They are setting this up to be a better OL. With Grasu being back, with the signing of Kush. Bringing in some backup OTs will have improved the strength of the OL overall. Yes our OTs are the weak link but that will figure out a way to make it all work. Glennon is a pocket passer, our strength is up the middle, you play some two TE sets, the OL will not be a problem for us this year. They tried to upgrade Massie in FA but they didnt get their guy at RT. So they went out and get the best blocking TE on the market that will add to the strength of the OL. With Long being healthy, Whitehair getting better, the OL will be one of our strengths.

First of all, if you are talking about one draft pick, you are only being able to replace one player, not three. So if he is good, then he can bring that missing player back to you. You also have to consider, the fact in the first two drafts, he did not address the QB position, so that is two more players you have on the roster you would not have had before. Lets say, 4th round picks. The last two drafts would have been Jeremy Langford and Nick Kwiatkoski. Langford is a backup RB but can play in the NFL and Nick K will eventual be a starter. So if you are trying to make sense of this, we already have two players that have contributed to the roster. Pace grab a player that can help us win the next two years in Glennon, and then grabbed the QB he think will be a star. Before the draft he did not know if he would be able to get his QB, so he hedged his bet. If he was right about both of them, then this was a genius move, if not then he could lose his job.

I think there moving him to left side to maximize his athleticism. Help more with Leno

great article, you have to like Paces moves in getting who he thinks will be a stud. We never know how this turns out, but it takes balls to do what he did. I do not see us drafting another QB, unless Glennon falls on his face and does not have the prospect of him being around in year two. The fact the last two drafts should show you, that unless he thinks there is one worth drafting, he will take a prospect at another position.

everybody has fault when you go to one SB in the last 20 years.

Yes I agree, we have to see in two years about the outcome. I think having a pass happy offense, at least gives you the opportunity to see him able to make all the throws of a NFL quarterback. When in a run dominated scheme. Pace has tried to trade in the last two drafts, to go get Maiorta and then Wentz, so i think the fact that Pace liked both those QBs, you might say, he has a good eye for talent at that position. I have read from some experts that the Bears are lucky that Tribusky only has one season as a starter, because if he played two, he would be the overall #1 draft pick in the league and we would not be able to get him next year. There is people on both sides of the fence on what Tribusky will turn out to be, you can choose either side. Since he is a Bear, I choose to look at his high side, and you choose his low side because he only has 13 game starts. I think our future is bright.

Yes, I seen him live a couple times, Soundgarden was in my wheel house of music. The only good thing you can say about musicians dying is the music lasts forever.

Wenntz played in more games but only had 50 more attempts that Mitch. Small school competition doesn't give you concern? The point im trying to make, is there is risk in any selection and we gave to wait to see how it turns out. I would say Philadelphia took a bigger risk than we just did. Inferior competition and actually paid a higher price than we did. He was not as accurate as tribusky . Time will finish the story, just trying to give you a more positive spin.

I would like your opinion on Carson Wentz? In his college career, he only had 50 more passing attempts than Tribusky and came from a small school besides. I think he did well with a small sample size.

there is a handful that think highly of him and probably a handful that think badly with most in between. So the situation may not be at the point to go get him with a few that thought highly. In the end, it what he turns out to be, not what everybody thought of him. Since he is a Bear, Im all in on his high side.

To counter your post. If your teams like NE, Ten, Oak, why would they be beating down the doors to trade up to get them. If you had a high pick, then maybe they were trying to trade up to get him. You are right about ANY scouts opinion, they are the so called experts and miss at a high rate, but in saying that , anybody that was negative about Tribusky can have the same thing said for them. It only matters how he turns out. It only matters that Pace was right. And for all the opinions of scouts, remember our dont mean anything either.

I think they extend a few players with the cap space,plus they can roll it over. Hicks definitely gets extended this year.

I absolutely think we are in two TE sets 40% of the time. I think we dont keep a FB and use the TE as a HB sometimes. So Shaheen and Sims Meridith and White Howard

They tried to upgrade Massie in FAgency, so if someone moves it may be there. Leno is not terrible but just below average, and definitely needs an upgrade. With a new OL coach, maybe the new guy can raise his game in a contract year.

If we have a productive offense , I think Glennon could be close to those numbers. With Long and Grasu back, I think our OL will be a strength and add to the development of the O. If White is completely healthy, he is still player that was rated the best WR in his draft class. I think wth the development of Meridith and the additions of Wright and Wheaton, the chance for our WRs to be a strength. We have thrown a lot at the TE spot and I think we see the results. Between Sims and Shaheen, it allows Miller to have less snaps and stay healthy all year long. I think we get 100 receptions , 1100 yards, and 10 TDs out of our TEs this year which puts Glennon in the position to achieve the numbers they project for him. I think Hioward is the real deal, and you add the Tyreek Hill type of player in Cohen, to put us in a position to be one of the top 5 rushing teams in the league. I think our O surprises everyone and becomes top 10 which makes the defense better with less time on the field.

I think Cleve had to draft Garrett, but were trying to move back up to grab Trubisky but Pace surprised everyone when he went to get Tribusky. No one knew what we were doing. Cudos for Pace for keeping things so quiet. I think we are farther along than most people think. I think we are one year set back in our development because this roster was in such bad shape. I think this draft will start to solidify the team and show results this year. Other than Jackson, most of this draft will need to develop but the high side of these players will start to show sometime this year. Tribusky is still at least a year away , if not two, but developing a QB is not a one year deal. Shaheen will contribute his first year. Something like 45- 480- 5. His upside will take him higher but at least will have some contributions while developing. Cohen is in place to contribute in his first year. He will not only add as a RB but I think they will line him up in the slot to get him on the field more. Not a starter but an added weapon for D coordinators to worry about. Jackson, should be a starter his first year. Morgan will need a year or two to develop which works out well with the contract of Sitton.

I dont see anyway this year that Sitton gets cut. He is a quality player and he will be here one more year and maybe two depending on the development of Morgan, his replacement. I think the big question will be if Grasu is healthy and above average at OC, then I think for sake of putting the best 5 on the line , he will force Whitehair to move either to LT or RT. I think since they tried to sign a player to take Massies place, that is more likely the place either Whitehair or Long will move to. I think Leno will be secure for one more year for better or for worse.

I think last years pitiful season, was mainly due to injuries. I see this year as a huge step forward. IF we stay relatively healthy. The D backfield will look insanely better with a pass rush of Hicks, Goldman, Floyd and McPhee.

Wow never gave that a thought. I think putting a rookie in with Morgan would be a stretch. so if whitehair moves then Grasu is the only new guy.

Here is an interesting article suggesting what the Bears do this year. What I find interesting is they have Floyd doing 14 and 1/2 sacks. Glennon has a good year. Howard is a stud. Cohen adds some offense. Meridith has a good year but I think White has more of an impact than they suggest. With the added pass rush we will have more ints that they suggest. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2709581...leaders-in-2017

When praising or criticizing Pace we need to look at his plan. In the first two years, he took position players and did not draft a QB. He tried to trade up for Mariota and last year to go up and get Wentz. I would have to say both of those should turn out to be good QBs. So I think he can identify a QB when he sees one. In the three year of a rebuild , he need to get a QB to push forward with the progress, so he addressed with an urgency. I would say he identified Tribusky as his guy early but there was no guarantee he would be there at three.So he went out and grabbed the best QB available in FA.He did think in spite of getting a chance to draft Tribusky , because at 3 there is a chance he wouldn't be there. So now the draft comes and as proved out several teams are interested in moving up for QBs as that did happen. When Cleveland did not take Tribusky, the only way to control your own destiny is to move up to 2 and grab him. So the complains are he paid to much, that why would you grab Glennon if you wanted Tribusky, and Tribusky isnt a franchise QB. If you factor in the last two years instead of finding a developmental QB, he took position players. So lets say the fourth round, that is two picks we have. This year he traded back in the second and recover 2 of the draft picks he paid, so that equals itself out. Tribusky's value was all over the board by so called experts, but in the end it only matters if Pace got it right,he's the one that drafted him. I read where two AFL scouts had Tribusky as the best QB prospect to come out since Luck was drafted. Which reinforces Pace's opinion that he could become a top 10 QB. As for grabbing Glennon, he had no idea whether he could get Tribusky unless he traded for the first pick in draft, so he went out and grabbed the best QB available and basically signed him to a one year deal if he wants to get out of it. Lets say Glennon does well, and Tribusky is ready next year, I can see getting a 2nd rounder in exchange for him . If he is just average, you could still get a 3rd or 4th considering all the teams still in need of grabbing a QB for their future. So for all the criticism, if Tribusky is the guy he thinks he is, we will not remember all the critics of his decisions. The cost is minimal and we end up going back to a winning tradition.

I think you will see a big jump from several players this year. Floyd, with a stronger core allowing him to stay healthier for the 16 games schedule should vault him to 10-12 sacks this year. Bullard was not ready last year for the NFL but one year of learning, gaining strength, we should see some consistence from him. Goldman should be Hicks once he stays healthy all year. Should see jumps in the second year from Bush, D. Hall and Robinson-Harris this year. Meridith should improve to be a solid #2 with a thousand yard season. White will finally prove why he was drafted so high. Just look at the development of Clowny that took off in his third year. Whitehair and Howard are just studs and will be better than last year. Grasu could stay healthy and take over the OC spot pushing Whitehair to OT or taking OG spot over and them deciding to move Long to LT. I think we are on the verge of being very good, and will show up this year in being in the running for a playoff berth.

Once in a while a QB makes it that is not high profile, but in most cases, its the Dree Brees,, Brady type that land there.