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Sorry, I don't see the comparison between Marino's release and Caleb Williams. There are countless articles from some very reliable sources stating his release time was over 3 sec, which is JF all over again. Don't get me wrong. If we draft Caleb, I will be his biggest fan. I pray if we do draft him, we can get Odunze @ #9 That saying, we need to lock in the FA Center from Denver. We need a proven vet to anchor the line.

Just read this, but have no idea if the guy is blowing smoke. Does anyone know this guy from Sportskeeda, Tony Pauline? Hell, I haven't even heard of Sportskeeda. LOL

There are holdouts every year going into training camp. How long do they hold out? Does it affect their production in year one? The two reasons for these holdouts are normally, and I quote from an article I found" My concern is that if Caleb's father is as demanding as it has been reported, he may yet try to buck the system and screw things up by "unwisely" advising Caleb to hold out until his demands are met, reasonable or not. As an example, here is the list I found of rookies in 2023 who held out, not signing their contracts until after the start of training camp. I hope this is accurate, as it is a copy and paste of an article I found on profootballnetwork.com (It does state some of these players, although unsigned as training camps opened, many have signed when reporting.) Round 1 No. 1: Bryce Young, QB, Carolina Panthers No. 2: C.J. Stroud, QB, Houston Texans No. 4: Anthony Richardson, QB, Indianapolis Colts No. 5: Devon Witherspoon, CB, Seattle Seahawks No. 15: Will McDonald IV, EDGE, New York Jets No. 16: Christian Gonzalez, CB, New England Patriots Round 2 No. 32: Joey Porter Jr., CB, Pittsburgh Steelers No. 33: Will Levis, QB, Tennessee Titans No. 40: Isaiah Foskey, EDGE, New Orleans Saints No. 41: B.J. Ojulari, EDGE, Arizona Cardinals No. 42: Luke Musgrave, TE, Green Bay Packers No. 43: Joe Tippmann, C, New York Jets No. 44: Julius Brents, CB, Indianapolis Colts No. 45: Brian Branch, S, Detroit Lions No. 46: Keion White, EDGE, New England Patriots No. 47: Jartavius Martin, CB, Washington Commanders No. 48: Cody Mauch, G, Tampa Bay Buccaneers No. 50: Cam Smith, CB, Miami Dolphins No. 52: Zach Charbonnet, RB, Seattle Seahawks Round 4 No. 108: Blake Freeland, OL, Indianapolis Colts

Yep, you're right. My mistake.

I hope you're right. However, there are holdouts every year, some of them high draft picks, even with the slotted salary structure in place. Remember when Curtis Enis cried like a baby when drafted by the Bears in the first round, held out during training camp, and not signed until the last minute? If we draft Williams and his "Daddy" tells him to hold out because he wants to try to find a way to side-step the rules set forth by the NFLPA, that would suck big time.

Yes, I'm sure some are smoke screens set off by other GMs. Some is old news, such as his not wanting to be drafted by the Bears. A statement which he denies and no one has proven to be true. That one truly smells fishy. So, what did I find in this article that alarmed me? I knew college football players were now allowed to earn money from endorsements. I had heard that Caleb had quite a few in a major market. I didn't realize, and I believe this to be true, that he has made in the area of 10 million over the past three years. He doesn't have to drive around in the broken-down car Mitch was said to be driving around before being drafted. Couple that with the quote from Caleb's father stating that if things didn't work out (if they felt the situation was unacceptable), Caleb could refuse to play for the team that drafted him, sit out a year (return to college, and continue to make plenty of money), and reenter the draft next year (When the QB class appears to be much weaker). Now, some might say a player would never do that. You must be very young. Eli Manning was drafted by San Diego and refused to play for them, then was traded to NYG. I'm sure many fans of the Chargers hold a grudge against Eli. I myself was a young man when the Colts drafted John Elway (I grew up on the Eastern Shore, a huge Colts fan). Elway refused to play for the Colts, forcing a trade. Now, the Colts received a rookie LOT with a HOF career. Unfortunately, after Johnny Unitas retired, the Colts needed a franchise QB. To this day, I get pissed off every time I see Elway. With Caleb's father being so controversial, are we sure he won't encourage Caleb to sit out training camp, refusing to sign unless he gets everything he wants for his boy? If the team is unwilling or unable because of rules set by the NFL & NFLPA, to meet Carl's demands for Caleb, will Carl try to talk Caleb to sit out a year? I flat out do not know the answer to those questions. Do You?

I'll add this. I just listened to the Caleb Williams combine interview on NFL.com and was impressed. For a guy who has been known to skip out on interviews after his college games, he handled the questions given to him without hesitation, and I thought he aced the test.

Thanks for posting the link to the article. Old news? Really? I actually found most of this information new to me. I encourage everyone to read it. I'm not sure it tells us anything about Caleb. It indicates much about what his father will be like as his mentor. The question is, how much will Caleb listen to his father's unorthodox views of the NFL?

I just read an article on The Atlantic. I tried linking an article there before and it was a no go, as I am a subscriber, and the link would not work. Carl Williams is going to be a big problem. He not only questions having equity in the team that drafts Caleb, but it goes much further. He wants to know why his boy would have a cap on his earnings for four years, plus a fifth, then tags, potentially making his boy play for less than he's worth for as long as eight years. He wants to know why it is fair for the draft order to have reverse positioning because of the previous year's record. Why can['t he be drafted by a top contender instead of a team with a poor record? He rejects the idea of an approved agent because none of them he's talked to will tell him how to find a loophole in the rules. The agents are also leery of Carl. Then, I will give you one quote, I don't think The Atlantic would be pissed as it is a minor clip of a long article, but this really concerns me: Caleb has made over 10 million in college over the past 3 years with endorsements galore. He could easily afford an "Eli Manning or John Elway" move and refuse to play for the team that drafts him. He could just return to college; he is financially set to hold out if necessary.

I'm curious: where did you hear that Pitt offered a 2nd? I'm not doubting you; I just haven't seen anything on the net, and I have been floating around looking for info on the draft all day.

Crap. I miss read the post. I thought it was Justin and OUR 2nd from next year for Atlanta's 2024 first Rd pick. If you're saying, we get Atlanta's 2025 2nd in addition to their 2024 1st for Justin, Hell, yes! I'd love that trade.

I'd love to see JPJ as our center. We haven't had a solid starter at Center since Olin Kreutz.

Give up next year's 2nd, Hell No! Play hardball. Get top return or keep JF. I'm tired of the Bears giving away players in trades. Other teams get a King's bounty for players, we always seem to get crap.

Let's pray Kliff K. wants his man, Caleb, to return to DC. Obviously, he doesn't have the final say in the Commanders' draft room, but he can possibly convince the powers-to-be that they need to meet the demands of Poles to obtain the number one pick. I'd love to see, as a minimum return, 2024 #2 (where we draft Maye), 2024 2nd rd pk, 2025 1st rd pk, 2026 2nd rd pk. I think multiple teams will be bidding against each other, and there is a good chance the scenario I listed could be a lowball.

I get your point. However, most top free agents signing that big contract for 4 to 5 years are already in their mid to late 20s. Therefore, when their contracts expire and need resigning, many are beyond their prime, descending in value, and can/should be released. If resigned, for less money, we can extend rookie deals that are maturing.

I am really curious about the 'height' question. I bet he is less than 73 inches. I will go with 71.5" as my guess. LOL

I just read that Caleb Williams doesn't plan to have an agent representing himself. It was a very foolish move, IMO, and one I suspect was supported, if not because of his father. It's not unheard of. R Smith didn't have an agent resulting in Poles being unable to come to terms with him, thus traded to the Ravens. Lamar Jackson didn't have an agent during his draft, which is why many think he wasn't selected until pick 32.

Yes, I am getting pop up ads that are very annoying. If any other site did this, I would never return to that site. However, I am addicted to this site, so I try to ignore them.

It's the first time I have seen or heard of the Rich Hill version of the trade value chart. It's amazing how you can have it altered to emphasize the Bears. I have bookmarked it for future reference. Thanks for posting the link. I knew we had limited picks after round 1 this year, which was disappointing. Our picks on this chart reinforce my belief that Poles will be pulling off some trades. He loves building through the draft (which is why I love Poles), and if he doesn't trade number 1, #9 is toast. LOL.

The other question is, if they draft Williams, do you honestly think they will let him sit (I think they should) or throw him out there in game one (I think they will)?

Of the ten listed, I would choose Gardner Minshew as a short-term stop-gap option. On the other hand, they didn't mention Mitch T as a possible option. LOL

I love your mock drafts, thanks for the time and effort you put in to post them for us. I do have to say, in several, I see you have Daniels as a mid to late first-round pick. I truly expect him to go top 5, possibly to New England. I even saw one 'guru' (can't remember who) say he was #2 QB, with Maye @ #3 QB.

I agree. With this mock, for the Bears to fill their needs with limited draft capital after round 1, they would need to load up in free agency, which is not Poles' M.O.

There are so many mock drafts out there; it seems endless. This one, I think, would please many, although I personally have doubts about the trade they propose taking place. It shows how the Bears could draft both Caleb Williams and MHJ. Three-round 2024 NFL mock draft: Patriots deal for Justin Fields in one of five first-round trades

I enjoyed the article by the young man. He has a good future. Obviously, he's a fan of Williams, but he gave us an article with good points to be made, both positive and negative. Thanks for sharing the link.