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you're absolutely crazy. just watch the tape. honestly if you think Fields is good, then your opinion on everything is wroth questioning. now I know, people have different opinions on things and thats cool. When I say I think Fields in the open field is similar to Hester, thats an opinion. Its all well and good for someone else to say they dont agree. Its not a fact, its an opinion. Most of what's said on here is opinion. And thats cool. But Fields is terrible. Thats a FACT. It's already been proven. What I couldnt believe was the idea that you were arguing that Fields has already been PROVEN GOOD. That the idea that Fields is bad hasnt aged well. LOL. Did Pittsburgh keep him? I dont think you know how to watch football, I really dont. I think you just regurgitate what idiots like Greg Gabriel and Pat the Designer and Swifty say. Its ridiculous. Put down the kool aid and just watch some film - it isnt hard. You can see how players play with your own eyes. You dont have to be a genius either, thankfully. You would have kept Fields. You would have kept Eberflus. Dude, you need to rethink your football life.

Dude, Fields SUCKS. That rating means nothing, when he hardly threw the ball. 2,500 yards is the best he ever did! This goes far beyond optimism - it's rainbows and unicorns.

Ok so Ive been thinking more about this. Are you actually arguing that Fields has proven himself to be GOOD? Really? Why does no one keep him? Your best proof is that the Jets paid him? They are widely known as shrewd QB talent evaluators? And signing someone doesnt matter - hes on his 3rd team already. He has to produce before you can argue that hes any good. So far his production has been terrible! Here is JF's BEST season: 2562 yards, 16 TD, 9 INT - his other seasons were WORSE. that's 150 yds a game average. YUCK! His BEST season LOL Here is CW's rookie season in which he had three different OCs, the first OC and head coach got fired, and the OL was trash: 3,541 yards, 20 TD and 6 INTs and people are saying Caleb had a bad year, might be a bust. LOL Caleb threw for almost 1,000 more yards, had 4 more TDs, and only 2/3 as many INTs. Tell me again that Fields is good. What a bunch of crap!

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Oh for sure, there are like maybe 10 guys who can do it at the level that you know you'd keep them long term, in the world! Maybe 10, maybe a lot less. Depends on how you rate em. It's hard!

Fields, to me, is a superior athlete that doesn't have the mental talent at the QB position. I'm not saying he is stupid at all. But he has never shown an ability to read defenses in rhythm, and you can bet the Jets are thinking about Arch Manning next year, and signed Fields to get Manning. They may also have Fields be that transitional QB for Manning, but once Manning (or whichever rookie they take) starts, that'll be it for Fields. Fields is not an NFL starting QB. People have given him chances to show that he can be one, but he hasnt done it anywhere yet, and I dont see how he will.

lol - lets see what the Jets do after this year with him. The idea that fields is GOOD at QB is like teeth that haven't come in yet because the baby teeth are still in LOL

fair enough thats what makes horse races. I agree with what you said about why they asked him to slide, I think thats what i was saying too. personally, I think Fields is a monster in the open field, and Hester like - but we dont have to agree on that. I do wonder if a team will use him for kick returns in the future if he isnt starting at QB. EDIT - I do admit Hester is quite a bit faster. That's obvious. But in terms of vision and elusiveness I see them as similar.

I agree with you about Minnesota, but the reason Fields' rushing yards were down was that the coaches were telling him to slide rather than try to get around defenders. You all know how I feel about Fields as a QB, but he is about as good an open field runner as Hester was. And like Hester, he didnt actually play a real position on offense or defense. You cant pay a starting QB starters money, or even rely on him as a starter and let him run free, so Fields is left without a place on the roster where he can showcase his skills. Great athlete, not really a football player.

oh yeah, on paper we are looking good! no dobut. on paper Trapilo is a giant stud wh moves people in the run game, and swallows up speed rushers with width. he's got 33" arms, but he has a wide stance and moves laterally really well. One thing that poles said about his film, which I've also found watching him since we drafted him, is that his film is boring. And it really is. Every snap looks the same. It looks easy and theres no real choas to it. He looks less like he's fighting defenders and more like he's couples ice skating. He just moves and absorbs them calmly. If he can make it still look like that in the NFL, hes gonna be a monster. I expect it wont be so easy though, so I'm interested to see how he stacks up.

fair on Von, I just mentioned it because Dayo is working with him. I think Braxton got unmasked last year,a nd the league has a bull rush book on him now. especially coming back from an ankle. I think we need Trapilo or Amagadje to be clearly superior to Braxton, and then we will be in good shape!

I am still concerned about LT, but Trapilo is a physical specimen, he seems to be more ready for LT than his college experience would indicate, hes very steady, i wanna see him against NFL rushers. I think he has the potential to be a real stud, but I need to see it. Maybe on grass, Amagadje will show us hes the man instead? My bet is in Trapilo, but it's all talk right now. I worry about pass rush too. Im feeling pretty good about how the DT rotation looks right now, but i worry about the production from the DEs. One of the things Ive learned here was that DA likes bigger DEs, so maybe he doesnt expect the same % of pressure to come from the DEs as we do in most schemes. I also see Dayo is going to Von Miller's pass rush camp. Miller is still available as a free agent too for limited snaps at critical moments...

if I had to bet, Id say the same. I am very optimistic about this season, and this team going forward. But logically, I'm just waiting to see it on grass under live fire, and then ill start talking about whats working and what needs help. I'm really looking forward to that.

yes 8-11 wins is the reasonable expectation, and no one can say they wont win more, or collapse. i dont expect them to collapse, but a lot of teams that looked good on paper didnt actually perform on the field. Like Redskin and Raiders teams of the 80s and 90s or a lot of Yankee trams over the years. That doesnt mean there is any reason to predict failure either. Just that we dont know the chemistry of this team yet at all. Lots of reasons for optimism tho! And who can say who this team will be in December if it all comes together too.

Yeah, I dont know what we will be exactly, but last years win total makes a poor predictor or even starting point, i agree. First of all, we should have had 8 wins if Eberflus hadnt given them away. secondly the roster is very different and so is the coaching staff. So I agree that there is no reason to be anchored to last years number in any way. But this is a NEW team, and we have to gel and see what we are. Gotta do it on the grass So I totally agree with you. we are 0-0 with no reason to think anything concrete yet for better or worse!

ah OK! That makes more sense!

You dont know who Colin Cowherd is? Not saying his takes are right, but hes pretty well known?

Well I guess the argument would be that BJ knows what he's doing and it's a whole new coaching staff. And I also buy into that, but Im gonna agree with you, we need to see it in pads first for SURE.

Yeah, whenever you run a system that's different than the norm, you get players at a discount

no thats 100% - I did know he likes larger DEs becasue he asks them to set the edge, and that leaves LBers free

cool! I feel very good about our DT rotation. A killer DE cant hurt, but if its good enough for DA, its good enough for me.

Maybe youre right re: Kaleb and the draft.

could be. I still think he had his eye on Kaleb Johnson and Cam Skatebo and got played in the draft, but either way, we will definitely be looking for HB and DE next year, and it's good to hear that next year is stocked with talent at HB!

I wouidnt trade him today, but after camp in pads, when the next trade window opens, at the end of camp, I think he will be trade bait, and if we cant find a partner, he might even get cut. They arent gonna keep all three, and if you know Braxton isnt your future, hes the odd man out.

I have no doubt that Bieniemy is a great RB coach. Still, vision is kind of an inherent talent. Of course people can learn and be coached, but I'll be Swift has been coached before, and yet he still has mediocre vision at best. Im hoping RJ does well, and I look forward to seeing Monangai in pads, but as a 7th round pick, he's gonna have to show me before i start considering him an answer. i would LOVE it is he is dominant, but I need to see it first. I still think we need a real HB1.