Alaskan Grizzly

Most of the time I disagree with just about anything you say, but this time I have to say I'm with you. I'm not sure what it is but something tells me the team will do a lot better than people expect. Just off the top of my head, Fox had been successful twice now in leading teams to the SB by using someone else's QB. Well at least a QB that was on another team the year or two prior. In Carolina it was Delhomme and in Denver it was that guy named Manning. So could it happen with Glennon? Sure, history certainly says it could. The biggest question in my mind right now is the WR situation. Was sad to see Cruz go but he must not have been able to give what they needed him to. Something tells me we'll we Victor retire soon. Im wondering, given the low number of 'known' WRs in the FA market that Pace doesn't try and make a trade for one. Although with all the TEs on the roster he may also stand pat. The offense could easily become a West Coast style with run heavy and short pass ball control.... that is until Trubisky takes over.

Now if you want to see a cheap hit (or what they use to measure them anyhow). Check out Vontaze Burfict here...whose known to make them occasionally.

As much a fan as I'm not for low hits (and ultimately hurt Meredith), can't say this was cheap. OBJ had a similar hit on him a few weeks ago (although only by one player). At the time the commentator said that they're teaching defenders, especially on receivers, that they can't hit high when they're vulnerable (defenseless player) so most players will target low to the waist or lower to avoid hurting the guy. The by-product of trying to protect the players with high hits are ones like this. Beckham came up limping after this and eventually left the game.

What happened to Braverman? I sorta saw/see an Edelman/Amendola combo with he and Gentry out there. Maybe not.

Cut Houston, move C. Jones to OLB (he looks good lately) and sign Ahmad Brooks for ILB (maybe backup?)

Meredith is done

Was released by SF.

Based on what we've seen so far with Glennon and should that trend continue, they simply do not only effect the overall team preparedness but potentially the development of other players. In this case your TEs and WRs. Standing on the sideline watching plays is a lot different than actually being in the game.

Again, Jason and I agree. Now it must be because of the eclipse. Gotta go Trubisky at this point. I know a little mud will be on Paces face to have invested what he did with Glennon but at this point having him stay in is actually worse for the team. Like Jason says when you draft a skill player as high as the Bears did you just about MUST start them on day 1. Similar to how they should've started KW three years ago but couldn't. And similar to how they did with Floyd last year. But to be sure we are really seeing what we're seeing; Trubisky hasn't really been tested yet. This is the same offense that both Barkley and Hoyer looked decent in last year. And Trub has yet to play a 1st team defense in a "real" game. One thing I did notice is they're actually using the heralded zone offense we kept hearing about. Lots of bootlegs and roll outs. The same scheme they were supposed to use with Cutler but never really got off the ground. No doubt this style plays better to Trubs style or at least ability. Glennon is more a pocket passer and looks ridiculous on the move. Hindsight being what it is I wish now they had signed Gabbert instead of Glennon. That kid has some good mobility and would look much better playing this scheme. And please someone flush Sanchez now!!! Even him wearing #6 makes it harder to feel like we've turned the page on the 'great mistake'.

That was a good one but yeah I really hope you're wrong. Maybe the curse will be lifted now that he's wearing his old college number? And did Howard make the top 100 players in the NFL? If not, why not? He only had the second most yardage after Zeke E. and 3-4 games less to do it in. I think Zeke made it somewhere in the top 10 unless I'm mistaken. Highway robbery!

Why do I suddenly feel like the team is jinxed? Lol. This going so far without injuries could be a good thing or not. I'd hoped they improved their strength and conditioning from last year and that this is a result of that and not their going too light on them. Have all the rooks signed their contracts? Last I recall I thought Trubisky was the lone remainder but maybe I mis-heard?

Agreed that all we can do is hope. More the point of this particular parallel are the similarities. Case Keenum is our Glennon and Goff = Trubisky. And that they are both from spread offenses isn't lost on me either. I don't predict that Trubisky will do bad at all. In fact once our season starts I suspect the parallels and similarities will end. Glennon will do better than Keenum and we probably really won't see how good (or bad) Trubisky is this year.

Not for nothing but here's an article about another spread style offense QB who went early last year. Seems they were optimistic too... https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/08/10/rams-trai...ason-jared-goff I know, I'll be accused of being "negative". I like to think "pragmatic".

Yeah I'm actually a huge fan of both Cooper and Sims based on highlights I've seen on both. And the fact Pace paid them both multi-year deals tells us he's a believer too. I'm still not sure on Paces draft strategy but so and for the most part I have liked his FA acquisitions. Well there is the matter of Sanchez. ?

I'm thinking Dion Sims will be this years Akiem Hicks. Why? http://sportsmockery.com/2017/03/adam-gase...tole-dion-sims/

I'm sure it looked something like this:

I swear I had nothing to do with this ... http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/and-the...qb-connor-shaw/

I see what you did there. Trying to get me to comment on Trubisky. Haha. Actually, if I were to pick a guy we chose #1 but not on the team I'd have to say Greg Olsen. In fact of our last 1st rounders since then he probably has the best chance. But staying with current players and barring any long term injuries is go with Floyd or Long. Floyd still has ALOT to prove but looks to have that potential. And Long, he'll he'd make it on name alone. But really, all the guys done is get elected to the Pro Bowl in each of his first few seasons; until last year. For a lot of reasons I really hope Kyle can get back to his full time play. He's a great guy, player and teammate. Something our team really needs.

And where is Jimmy G now?

Yeah and the fact he was in Chicago several days ago, visited some other teams (who didn't sign him) makes me think they aren't too convinced he'll be around either. I personally hope so. Like what Cruz has to offer but know he's older and coming off some bad injuries.

Mitch Trubisky may in fact become a good NFL QB. I will not argue that point. He is not yet. And he's definitley not a Franchise QB. But this discussion we are having has taken two paths. The first being whether you really need a Franchise QB to win it all. You and I appear to agree that you do not. Then the second path was about a list of QBs you thought were Franchise QBs and some were just good QBs which I said there were some on the list, you considered "meh" or good QBs that still needed time to be evaluated to determine whether they were Franchise level quality. And then a sub path evolved regarding how if Cutler was the measure of bad QBing then surely QBs like Newton must be too because his stats are similar, in some regards. And now we're back to saying that Franchise QBs aren't that key an element. Yes I don't agree with you possibly?

There were rumors Jay had some injury issue that on top of his less than stellar career is why he may have gotten no offers. That and I honestly don't think he really wanted to play anymore. Eli has gone to, and won, two SBs and been to the Pro Bowl a handful of times. Cam has gone to one SB, been the league MVP and been to 3 Pro Bowls in his 5(?) year career. Jay had one Pro Bowl appearance and how many playoff wins? I don't think those of us critical of Cutler are alone in our judgement. And to Cams defense and in relation to his lower passing numbers; he's the prototype dual-threat QB that can equally hurt you with running and pass plays.

I think the first thing you need to understand about my concern is not as much with Trubisky as the QB they chose. It's just how they did it that concerns me. Does it concern me that Wentz played in a small school league? Now it doesn't, no. Had you asked last year and the Bears chose him instead I may have asked similar style questions I am asking about Trubisky. But hindsight being my friend I can say Philadelphia chose wilsely with Wentz. You yourself believe that Pace made a try at getting Wentz so he couldn't be all bad. Wentz played in a more NFL style offense at ND State. Where it was known as a "run dominant scheme". Versus North Carolina's which is based on the 'Spread Offense' scheme and more pass happy. In fact they were ranked 14th overall in passing offense last year in NCAA Division I. Meaning, Trubisky would have more opportunities to throw the ball than would have Wentz thus the comparative numbers. The one other immeasurable to consider is that in both schemes, Wentz was given more opportunity to choose the plays (whether it be run, pass or whatever) because he learned to read what the defense presented. Whereas Trubisky, playing in a spread offense, is more apt to read hand signs (or like Chip Kelly's card system) and not make those crucial pre-snap reads. But like you said, it still remains to be seen how either will perform. Wentz did pretty good coming out of the gate cold. How well Trubisky does may not be known for 2-3 years.

Considering your last question asking how long, I think it fair to consider the likes of Mariota, Newton, Carr, Winston, Luck and even Cousins in the 'potentially could be' category. Of this group most of these guys (save Newton) have only been playing 2-3 years and its too early to tell if they are or are not franchise QB's. Newton (2015) has been the league MVP already and some would question how goes Newton, so too goes Carolina. Thus his affect on the team's ability to win, thus he being a Franchise QB.