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Ah, accusing someone of trolling. How classy. The "problem" with my post is that it shows you as incorrect. Something you are incapable of realizing. And the odd thing is we actually agree on the point of this whole exchange. That Colin Klein could be a good QB project for the Bears. But your arrogance gets in the way of admitting that it was the very same discussion we had a few months ago only then you were against it but not you're for it. And since I'm here, Terra is right in wanting to do FA before drafting a high round OL (when compared). And you're right that we'll need to find another one in a few years. But guess what, they'll be another available then too? And Klein will have had that many years in the league.

So "try again" I will. (Feel like Yoda here). Anyhow, you didn't apparently read all of what I wrote or refused to. You "thought I meant" that wanted to pick someone like Klein in round 1 or 2. I did not. In fact referring to the Sports Illustrated article I read: "If he enters the NFL draft, Klein might go in the fifth round. Perhaps even the third." And this was still with him being a contender for the Heisman. So your theory that I thought he was deserving a 1st or 2nd round pick, even IF he had won the Heisman, is flawed. Heck the "experts" were even "demanding" it as you implied, not according to the article I referenced. As I said before...and again here "'they' are expecting him not to go early on drafts". The word "they" is in regards to the experts in case you were wondering who I was referring to. If you're referring to my "tounge in cheek" concession to you then you really don't get it. I did say that I would give you the 1st round pick for OL but said so in jest mostly to give you something to chew on. I went on to explain that I don't agree with it but instead would prefer value over blindly picking OL.

Ok, then draft Klein in the 6th or 7th. Then he would probably be a value pick, if available.

Apparently Trestman has weighed in to deny the rumors http://blogs.montrealgazette.com/2013/01/1...s-bears-rumour/

So explain, if I draft a"starting NFL player...right off the bat" I would assume you mean somewhere in the first round or two? Why then would picking Klein in the fourth be not "worth it"? Especially if he's not going to be ready in 3-4 years? The team has Cutler. Shouldnt you have some developmental player (QB) on the roster? Especially with a new head coach who will probably be offense oriented?

Nov 19 on Talkbears under the heading "Collin Klein": Me - "I know, I know, I decry the very idea of "mock drafts" but just finished reading the referenced Sports Illustrated article about the QB for the currently #1 ranked Wildcats. Base on it he seems he would be a fantastic pick for a town like Chicago. And "they" are expecting him not to go early on drafts... So why not? Please don't tell me "we need OL help"." You - "Horrible idea. And since you don't want me to tell you why, I'll leave the thread." However, in true "Jason" fashion, you couldn't resist.... Same string, your sidekick (in this case) Brian Bear joins in... Brian Bear - "This just has to be a joke." BB - "Right?" You - "Sadly, I'm sure it's not. Same thing every year...distracted by the pretty, shiny things and the functional, dirty things get ignored." And later, this in a reply to me: You - "Call it what you want, but anyone who wants to draft a QB for the Bears this year, unless it's a late round pick, doesn't have a damn clue about football. QB is probably lower than 10th on the list of needs for the Bears. " We continue to banter (at some point the word "sub-moronic" is used) and I continue to attempt to impress to you that I never said anything about a 1st round pick and conceded (after his team had just lost the 1st place ranking) that he should be looked at for later rounds. However, just by what you wrote more recently above you indicate that the QB could be addressed as early as the fourth round, certainly higher than the "10th item on the list". There were no strings attached or "extenuating circumstances" in our exchange. Nor did I suggest a "caveat" of releasing/trading Cutler for the opportunity.

See link above. Maybe explains it a little better. But not so sure his re-hab will be as quick as you suggest.

So I think then the point of contention maybe lies more with the fault of Shanahan deciding FOR RGIII whether or not he stayed in. Granted there is no comparison between RGIII and the coach in NFL experience, equally there is a disparity in knowing one's own capability. Perhaps RGIII thought he HAD to stay in, either because of Coach Shannahan or his wanting to "prove" himself. And since I don't think Coach Shannahan is a reckless person I have to believe the conversation between he and player took place...at some level. Regardless, after its all said and done it appears that the decision to play will effect how RGIII and the team perform for next year. http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2...cl-lcl/1819605/

Not sure that I agree with this sentiment. Cutler is no doubt a strong passer and with Marshall and Jeffery doing the outside and deep parts you need more options for short and over the middle. Funny how we seem to think similarly in this regards. I agree that the team won't "sit still" for FA but how far will they go? Blockbuster (Long - Miami) or whimper (Otah)? I have to admit, I MIGHT be ok with this draft but I'm curious, weren't you one of the folks that fried me for talking about Klein as an eventual Bears QB not all that long ago?

I think the judging of either player in their respective situations is unfair. I wanna say it was Marshall Faulk commenting on how the player knows what's best for them. In Cutlers case he knew he couldn't do anymore for the team, at least effectively, so he bowed out to allow someone else give it a shot. (Oddly enough it almost worked too.). And in RGIII's situation, he thougt he could continue to play and produce for the team. Unfortunately in both cases, both players are/were burned for their choices. And I think you're absolutely right that RGIII's career will be limited not just with this injury but due to his style of play. Not many scambling QBs last for very long in the NFL let alone ones with two significant injuries (concussion and knee) in one year. I hope for the best in RGIII's situation, he seems like a pretty good kid.

He's been known to have a knack for the melodramatic. But I would be shocked if two of Alabama's OLmen were still available for the Bears. Although, like TT, I'm not a fan of picking OL that high..let alone two.

I believe this has been discussed before, but this isn't too far from reality. I'm pretty sure that Toub was mentioned to act in the "interim" role had Lovie been excused in the past (last year?). The endorsement for this move was from ownership at the time. Of course the one major difference being Emery wasn't GM then. And...this sorta plays into Emery's indication to keep as much staff as possible to ride out the remainder of their contracts. If it doesn't work then flush the whole mess and start to officially re-build next year(?)

I think what happened with Singletary was very similar to what occured with Lovie. Singletary was very much focused on the defensive scheme and not so much the offense. Harbaugh is more offense. Alex Smith was drafted during Mike Nolans tenure (where is he now?) and I would beg to differ on the fact that Smith really ever "got it" since now he's not even starting with Harbaugh as the coach.

I always thought the issue with the team not getting more championships was due to money and not having enough to keep all the players. Similar to how after 6 championships the Bulls fell apart.

Funny, the team has a few players been accused of the same personality; Cutler, Urlacher and Marshall. Not that it's new to the Bears at any stretch of the imagination. The most successful coaches in Bears history were known to be abrasive. Ditka and Halas were notorious for being rough around the edges. In fact, funny thing the comparison was made to Harbaugh. I can remember when he was QBing in Chicago and was asked what it was like to be berated by Ditka on the sideline when he screwed up. His answer was something like, 'Are you kidding? I played for Bo Schembechler in Michigan. I'm more than used to it.'

This Trestman could indeed be an interesting candidate. After reading the below article it would be hard to argue that he might not have the strongest resume of the known candidates so far. Jim Miller does make for a compelling case in favor of Coach Trestman. http://www.csnchicago.com/football-chicago...mp;feedID=10330

So whether or not Matt Spaeth's opinion matters, I think I might be just a tad more interested in this Arians guy. Especially when I hear "old school, aggressive running style" when defining Arians' type of offense. http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpos...mp;city=chicago

I have to agree with this (in bold). Not so sure how Carimi will pan out though. He's become a bit of an enigma. Drafted as a starting Tackle, but this year looks nothing like a Tackle and obviously didn't play as one..very well. So what happened to Scott? He seemed to be pretty good while in the lineup and held his own.

I did see this somewhere as well and I believe right after making this statement that he added something to the effect that he would work with a team (if it were in the playoffs) and they had a person on their staff he wanted for the HC job. He also led the reader to believe that he was still keeping all options open if that 19 January date wasn't met. But while reading this I still can't help think that he already has someone in mind and is simply going through the motions. Obviously the drive for having a coach in place for the East/West shrine game is that Emery wanted to afford the candidate the opportunity to hit the ground running with assesing next year's talent pool. You'd think Emery was some sort of scout before or something.

And considering Carimi was a virtual unknown after being out for the better part of the previous year, Emery did have little info to work with. I would think he would have to assume (based on his knowledge - from draft reports etc) that Carimi would work out. And Williams (also a previous #1 pick) was still with the team. One would think SOMEONE would have worked out. FWIW, I would defend the choice of Jeffery every day to Tuesday as there is no question he will be a big contributer to the team in years to come and will be a complimentary WR to Marshall. To have gotten him in the 2nd round was a virtual steal for the Bears.

I have to agree here. Not sure that an early round draft pick is necessary. In fact, and as someone else pointed out, I have this sneaky suspicion that they have plans for Shea McClellin still.

Maybe the question should be asked who was the coach at Purdue? Didn't both Orton and Brees come from there?

Going with the thought of NOT having to totally rebuild, it makes more sense to try and stay with what the team knows best, its defense. Currently its defense is the Cover 2. There are three (??) Pro Bowlers on the team because of it, so it would be simply ludicrous to change out of it. Obviously one of the biggest reasons why Lovie was dismissed was due to his inability (or at least manage) the transition of the Offense to a higher level. If a new coach comes in, he will probably need to focus on the offense and should leave the Defense alone...for the most part.

Completely agree with this. There is one name in the "big" names that I could see as a possibility, Gruden. Not sure why, just get that funny feeling. But other than that I have a sneaky suspicion that Emery already has a list of 2-3 people in his head and a lot of what he is doing are formalities.