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I actually think most could play there but I heard Dane Brugler say he has the worst wingspan differential in this draft which means his wingspan is shorter than his height. Only one starter last year in the NFL had short arms. With most speed rushers these days having length it's just a disadvantage to have his measurables playing LT.

I don't think it would matter but he's to small in size to fit DAs prototype. More from a sense of power and strength.

As much as this is BS season, there always seems to be one player that drops. Carter was supposed to be the best player in the draft and he dropped to 9 that year.

Lately I've seen him drop in the draft, and have no idea why. Easy answer no one knows what they're talking about. Would love to get a blue chip player.

Does everyone know who Brandon Thorn is? He's supposed to be a OL guru. He has a sub stack that costs money to get his newsletter. He did his annual report ( My guys) listing his 32 top OL in the draft . He puts out a teaser giving you his favorite guy in each round. Does anyone get that? This year ( as a late first round pick) Simmons. if he wasn't injured, he said would have been the first T off the board. Round 2 is Booker Round 3 is Rutledge Round 4 and later Izzy Trapilo I was curious of his full ranking.

I get where you're coming from. Without knowing how much tape you watched, I am to assume your opinion is more valuable than someone that literally watches every minute of tape on a player in his whole career. Tapes of practices, maybe met in person , looks at all the measurements. I can't say they all do that but I do know Dane Brugler does that. I plumbed for 55 years of which I'm going to stop working altogether when I go home. I worked with people that had 5 maybe 10 years experience and think they're the genius in the room. I just let them talk. Plumbing isn't brain surgery but 50 years of experience does put you in a place most workers never get to . I never puff my chest out, let people talk. Then one day there's a problem they can't figure out and ask me for my help. I probably have dealt with that before. My point is experience matters in most cases.

I agree last time in the top 10. I would say 20 and lower going forward. I also agree the majority of starting LTs were picked in the top 15. The 10 highest paid LTs 5 = top 15, 1 =20, 1=23, 1= 53, 1= 4th round 1= 7th round. So if we want one, 10 probably needs to address that. Only a few were day 1 kicking butt, most were developed. Campbell, Membou, Banks considered the top 3 by most scouts. If they seem one destintin for stardom, I'm all in. It's for them to decide not me. I personally think Campbell will eventually be a OG, Membou will be a RT. So we can only hope Banks is the man or someone else they may want.

Echo chambers don't agree.

I already think that, Mathew Golden. We're not going to be picking this high again. 4.25 speed. Do not discount Ben adding a weapon with speed. I'm not asking for that but that would surprise everyone.

We all just have opinions right and wrong. I mention highly respected people and their opinions and it's an echo chamber. You keep mentioning Draft Buzz and Phil and his dad. Explain to me how that's different? NFL drafting is not a science like chemistry, there is no wrong or right opinions before a draft. After the draft 50% of the first round picks fail. It doesn't matter who I like or you like that's just fantasy football. I think we are trying to predict who the Bears pick. It's not whether mine or your opinion turns out true. Technically we won't know the answer to these questions for 3 years. That's the amount of time most prospects take to develop. I still think Caleb will be the best QB out of the last draft but he surely wasn't last year. We can't base a statement in one year of information. Also both could be all pro players or not. The point is this debate of ours is passionate, entertaining or stupid but it actually doesn't matter, it's just sport conversations NFL fans have. I have a lot of Packers fans as friends. This really isn't any different than those conservation's but it's more fun when the Bears are better. I look at podcasts,, articles, mock drafts not because I'm trying to think I'm smarter than them , it's just entertainment. We are in the dawn of a consistent winning bear's team and we all should be very happy. I think it's actually going to happen this time.

You're correct, not any different than your echo chamber. If Banks is as good as you say he is is, he will be gone before 10. Most predicted the teens. We'll see who's opinion wins out.

I think the fact some of the smartest scouts doing analyzing are all over the place explains the 10-50 same players mentality. If he's correct, we getting a good player at 72. Trading back a couple of times could net us great value w extra picks. I totally agree with Campbell not being top 10 mainly because he ends up at guard instead of tackle. Most are consistent with the top 6 players. Hunter and Carter will never reach us and Walker just doesn't seem like a scheme fit. I'm finding it more than likely Jeanty and Warren never get there either. Hope Mason Graham slips. If Johnson wants a weapon first don't discount Golden could be our first pick He is consistently top 20 on mocks I've seen lately. Under 4.3 speed will grab Ben's attention.

That's a good point. They did what we did this year and added 3 OL in free agency. They're a LT away from a major upgrade. The problem is Campbell and Membou aren't true LT prospects. Jeanty is one of the blue chip players. At 4 you to have draft one of them.

I don't want Stewart but you may be right. With his traits, why didn't he produce more stats? I think I read somewhere he has 102 pressures in the last 2 yrs. If that's true he is affecting the game just needs to finish better . What position would have the biggest impact in this team in the first year? Jeanty, Warren, Golden all could be talked about as opening up the offense more. I think sacks would make a big difference which could be DT or DE. One great pass rusher would make the DL stout with Sweat and Dexter. A LT to solidify the OL? The problem is every rookie has a learning curve plus this draft is considered weak for LT. I hope Mason Graham drops and the conversation stops. Otherwise we have to see the players they value. It's really going to be the combo of our first 4 picks that's going to matter. I want a ( any order) LT, RB, DT and DE. Two different people can watch one play and come out with a different opinion.. That Phil tape you posted is an example. One play Banks got pushed back into the QB but they didn't sack him. For you, Banks won that play. Someone else says he gave up a pressure and that was a loss play. This isn't a science, it's just what we see.

Just listen to the Score segment with Ourlads leading scout. ( They are a scouting report that 26 NFL teams purchase every year) and he was saying NEs going to draft Jeanty. I haven't heard one other pundit say that. It actually makes sense with Vrabel being their new coach . Derrick Henry was his offense in Tennessee. Also that the bears will have the choice of the first tackle off the board Campbell or Membou. He says he thinks they take Campbell. Haugh mentioned Banks and he said as a freshman banks was rated to be the best OT in this draft but has never gotten better in 3 years. He says he will be moved to guard in the NFL. He also said Campbell will be tried at LT but he used a term I have never before ( wingspan differential) and said it's the worst of any lineman this year. His wingspan is shorter than his height. He said his tape is good against elite competition but will eventually be moved to guard. None of that interview suggests we should draft him at 10. Also he thinks Mason Graham will be available at 10 .

I am seeing a lot more love for Banks lately. That's probably not a good thing because that means he's not going to be there at 10.

When is the last time you disagreed with Phil on a player? When I look to find people that agree with my opinion that is what I post. Lets say 50% agree and disagree with. I'm going to show you the people that align with my opinion. I would say the fact they (scouts) are divided makes a statement in itself to me. If we draft him at 10 then the bears see him as a plus player, if they don't that means they have or just find another more valuable to them. I trust the Bears scouting gives them much more perspective than me. If we take him, I hope he becomes a pro bowl type. If he is just a little better than Braxton, I would say that's a fail.( Didn't live up to expectations).

I have probably watched 5 shows, not enough to agree or disagree with you. If someone annoys me I tend to not watch regularly. I tend to watch people that give out positive vibes, not that they aren't negative on some comments but just don't lecture you on a point to nausea.

I think they will probably draft a blue player if available those are projected to be the stars. There will be some draftees that become great players, it's never a large number but those are unknown now. So a team may have a different list of blue players and find one. 50% of first round players never live up to expectations. It's all a crap shoot, if Poles finds us 5 or 6 players that contribute and a couple could become stars, I would be happy. Since becoming a GM, he has the highest % of first 2 rounds picks that are starting. It was a 91% rate. Caleb, Brisker, Gordon, Wright, Odunze, Dexter, Stevenson. Who am I missing? One has to not be a starter to be 91%.

I think if any blue players drop, it gives us an opportunity to trade back. Any of our needs would be better filled with a couple extra top 100 picks. There's no position that is a weakness that we HAVE to fill . We can get by with a second round RB, LT, DE,DT as our most realistic needs. S, WR, LB, TE are all depth picks this year. Seattle has extra picks in 2nd and 3rd round. They could draft WR, TE,LT . If competition for the 10 pick, get pick 52 and 92 . That's 6 picks in top 92. Kenneth Grant /DT Aire Ersery/LT Landon Jackson /DE Kaleb Johnson / RB Kevin Winston Jr /S Terrance Ferguson /TE That's 6 potential starters by year 2.

I will mention Phil is annoying.

Very good video, most people carrying water for Banks just shows his highlights, I like this video is realistic. I don't want people to have the wrong impression, if the bears designate him to be the best LT prospect in the draft, I have no problem if we take him. I think we are taking a LT prospect in our first 3 picks just don't think it will be at 10. My reasoning as flawed as it may be is the bears will go DL with the first pick. Now the injection of Warren or Jeanty being there ( they might choose to go adding a weapon) adds to the scenario, it might not be OL. As you look at a player, I just don't read the people that like him but the ones that don't rate him as high. No one thinks he will be a bad player, it's just at what level can he be great. I think Membou will be the best OL to come out of this draft but I don't think he's a LT. The Georgia game has him going against 2 first round DEs in the game. That's a feather in his cap.

They are all in the Bears you tube account. Just search Chicago bear's and it should Pop up

Someone listed all the DEs that have played under Allen and several does not fit his preference choices. When he talked yesterday, he was talking about strength and power from that position. Mack got drafted by Raiders when he was there. He's not a perfect fit either but he has the strength and power.

I use to subscribe to the Athletic but didn't renew it this year until yesterday when they offered me it back for 12 dollars for a year. I've been going thru Bugler's draft guide, easily the most extensive done every year, and he also listed Banks being upright to much as one of his weaknesses. I'll try to post and copy his profile of Banks. It's in a PDF so I'm not sure how to do that. He thinks Banks is a good player but is one of the ones that things he will end up at guard in the NFL. He has him as the 4th T off the board and overall at 26. I'm going to have to go back and watch the Georgia game again, it illustrates weaknesses he has in his game. PHX did you notice that game as being a weak game for him?