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I expect this year to be different from last year plus we have the coach that put that offense in the position to flourish. We don't know what to expect from any of our WRs, TEs, or RBs with Johnson pulling the trigger. I'm optimistic it's going to go well . I wasn't comparing one player to another player, just the overview of the offense.

That could happen but with great coaches, upgraded roster and a 5 star QB, you think we are going to have losing seasons going forward? That's the only way he's getting fired.

Yes hard to speak to actions we don't know anything about. Newman also mentioned he came in for a 30 visit that no one reported. That in itself is odd if they tried to hide those things . Pre draft visits doesn't mean we draft them or not but the year before had 4 of 5 draftees having visits. So it's just something to look at. They met with Loveland at the pro day and don't know if he came here or not. They didn't expect Burden to be there so they didn't have a reason to previsit. Since we didn't get any indication who they wanted or didn't want, easy to speculate on anything.

I didn't like who or when either. We just don't know if they screwed up or not. I do like the 1st 4 picks and Monongai. As contributors early in the year.

I was referring to the overall numbers of players Caleb has with quality traits. And it's an opinion. You disagree, it's okay. We don't have Gibbs but that doesn't mean we can't have an effective running game. Williams has speed that is unique to the league but we have ( projection) 3 quality WRs and 2 quality TEs and ( I could be wrong about this) a better QB.

You just keep it up, I was responding to Adam and you have to throw your bullshit into the conversation that has nothing to do about football.

That's inherently the problem, one pundit puts it out there and everyone jumps on it like it's true. We will never know but , in the past, if Poles wanted someone he would trade around to get him. Last year the war room video shows him being nervous about Rome not being there and wanted to trade up and Cunningham talked him out of it. Poles doesn't leak information, ever. This draft proves that, you were the only one that had a name we drafted, Burden. Everyone was thinking we might take Warren at 10 , bingo Loveland. no one knows for sure but we didn't trade up. Poles would have did a Pace move and given up a ton if he really wanted him.

No that's just you being you. You always say ( I don't mean it to sound like an insult ) right before you insult me. I have accepted your insults a long time ago. When I give my opinion I don't have the ego to insult people's intelligentence by saying my view of a player is better than well respected football pundits. Other people bring the same people up when talking about players but I'm drunk because you keep repeating to nausea on a point but I don't understand. You are not the only person on this thread. Other people are not going to pay attention to my posts if I don't support them with experts opinions that they respect. I don't care if you do. Banks was the 3rd T taken in a weak LT draft. The point of my talking about him was always , I didn't think the bears are taking him. A lot of my posts aren't always constructed well because being 12 hours different in time, Im looking at stuff in the middle of the night when I go to the bathroom. My brain isn't functioning quite well in brief comment moments. I told you ( I don't like you) was just being honest. Your response was ( I don't dislike you) is bullshit. I will say your insults are much better now than the ( you're a pedophile ) because I live in Thailand during the winter.

I'll take that. I like this thread better when you're around. You put up a lot of content. One day you're Peter positive and another day Nikki negative. I think one player ( have no idea who) becomes Caleb's favorite target. I think Kmet and Burden have more contributions. They will have the least talented DBs on them so will be open more.

We easily have more firepower than Lions had last year on an offense that scored 70 TDs. If Caleb is up to the task, he should be closer to 5000 than 4000 with 30+ TDs. Johnson said the offense will run thru Caleb but a running game will complent it. Let me be the first to say Monangai will end up a fan favorite. Because of disappointment on a well known name and as a late round pick, he is being dismissed. I'm not. I heard some people use Deboo Samuel as a comparison to Luther Burden that averaged 50 carries a year. We have plenty of ammunition to have a good running game.

Rating drafts this time a year are totally worthless but it's a fan thing and sports journalists exercise. They literally picked no one i liked. I hope they did their job well.

We need to look at the overall off-season to see what Poles has accomplished this year. Got the best coach on the market and spent good money on assistants. Added to both lines with quality additions. Added contracts for Gordon and Jackson who were on last years. The draft gave us 4 quality players in the first 4 picks. 2 potential all pro types and 2 first year contributors. The rest of the draft gave us high risk high upside players. Dane Brugler has the most complete draft guide on the market. Well respected in football circles. We ended up with 4 top 100 prospects. Loveland -11, Burden-27, Turner -56, Trapilo -79 He had mentions of all our draft picks on his draft guide. I thought they were obscure but people were aware of them. Hiopolote 35th LB Zak Frasier 23rd CB Newman 22nd OG Monangai 20th RB. I think this were high ceiling high risk type picks. It's going to be 2 years before we can start rating this draft. Lots of people saying Monangai is a dark horse good RB that fits what the bears are looking for. We have a front row seat to a winning season whether fans think it still has problems or not. The off-season is not over yet, now rumors of Nick Chubb. It never stops. Enjoy the ride.

The Banks argument is mute, he wasn't available. When I mention a football pundit, you don't like that because I should think for myself. I combine everything I see and read to form an opinion. I get the impression you think your opinion is because you're great at looking at tape. Then on several occasions you referred to draft buzz ratings and what Phil and his dad said. That's not any different than what I do. Your opinion is a composite of everything you learn about a player. Same same

It's still just an opinion, don't get what you don't understand? Anything I see doesn't prove a conclusion. Anything you think is exactly the same thought process. It's just opinions.

I think in any draft you have a plan and back up plan. Most fans and journalists would be happy with Ersery at 39 and Kaleb Johnson at 41. I think they planned on trading back in a deep draft. Waiting until the the 4 th round wasn't getting you another 2nd round pick. Burden pick popped up and they couldn't pass it up. He literally could be the best WR in the draft. So that left 41 to trade back . I think Trapilo was next inline if Ersery was gone or they liked him better. He's a RT that will get the chance to try LT in the NFL. I'm guessing here but they next targeted Cam Skattebo in the 4th. He got taken so they got more picks and had Kyle Monangai as their next choice knowing he would be there late. This is not the year one player puts them over the top. They had certain players they wanted so they stuck to a plan. Their draft board isn't put together with what media and fans thought was the best players. They actually have their own scouting department. Belicheck said once if you pick who the fans want you will one day end up in the stands with them. ( Don't remember the quote exactly)

Imagine a DC trying to cover Burden, DJ Moore, Rome plus Kmet and Loveland. Someone is wide open every play. Now does Caleb find that player is the question.

I think he makes the roster and DA uses him n blitzing situations.

I'm giving an opinion in what happened in the draft to suggest results. I mentioned several times, no one knows the truth.

My reference was to not taking Ersery with pick 39 or 41. I thought they would draft one later to compete but not be ready until 26. You do admit he's a RT that they probably change to LT. That doesn't scream day 1 starter. There is no way they change Wright to LT. Why Create two Question marks. If Tripoli is super T, they will just plug him in at LT.

With all this back and forth we are in alignment on a lot of things. Tape is the most important tool scouts use. We do need to address LT but,they did as I thought and drafted someone to be in the mix in 26 , not this year. I think Braxton plays this year, they offer him a contract but someone gives him 20 mil and he plays somewhere else. So next year Kiran or Tripoli will be our LT. RB needed another addition but never thought Jeanty was in the mix. I thought Skattebo or Brashard Smith would be drafted later to share carries with RJ and Swift. So it all come down to our opinion on the urgency of those positions. I also respect your opinion more than it might show. I don't always agree but you have been spot on with some you have been stubborn about. I loved Fields more so because ( he was our QB) at the time and if he succeeded that meant the Bears are winning. As soon as Poles choose Caleb, he's our new QB to rout for and has a lot of talent . You were right about Flus, at the time I thought with drafting Caleb we could overcome his deficiencies but the calamity of our OCs doomed the success and after the Washington game. He lost the team, my time to start agreeing with you. We align on a lot of things but our dislike for each other prevents us from showing it. Our next argument is Poles that is on going. He has made a lot of mistakes but has us in a good spot now. New GMs learn on the job and I think he is. When we're in a SB, we will be arguing about what play should have been called. I look forward to that.

At pick 39 they really didn't need a WR but the talent was so good they couldn't pass it up. At that time Ersery was still available, if LT was so important, why not take him there? At 41 , we traded back and Kaleb Johnson was still available at 56, we didn't take him. At 132 we took a LB and at that time only 8 RBs were off the board. Brashard Smith, jaydon blue and Devin Neil were still available. At pick 195 Smith and Martinez, Ollie Gordon were all available, we waited until 233 to take a RB. Does those decisions show a heavy need for LT or RB? I think not. Instead of Ersery they took a RT later in the round. I'm not saying he can't play LT, but changing positions doesn't sound like a first year starter. I think their draft decisions tell a story about what they thought were big needs on the team. LT and RB didn't appear to be at the top of the list.

As we go forward, none of these should expect to be rostered because our roster is a lot better now . That's a good thing. Before we use to look for a Sanborn type but now, it doesn't matter.

I find it interesting that you don't think other people look at tape in evaluation of every player. It's always 80% of any experts evaluation. So let me know what you think about Newman?

We are back to the same place we always are , we both have opinions that can be neither verified or denied. You list the same weaknesses you did before the draft except now Poles is one because he didn't draft who you wanted. If those were major weaknesses, logic says they would have addressed them in the draft differently. I think it's funny you never mentioned Tripoli once and yet the rookie RT is your savior at LT.

This is funny we are both projecting we think we know what they are thinking. When the season starts and we see who is starting will answer the question. So I will say now, if healthy, it's Jones , if not Kiran. You can fit your rookie RT in that mix anyway you want to. We can take on this conversation in training camp . again. Your narrative died when they didn't take a OL at 10. Lying season is over, when they say they like Braxton and Kiran it takes on a whole new light.