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The Gordon thing could be a contract situation, he hasn't signed yet. Nobody was just talking about it. It could be a minor injury that they aren't talking about either. We will find out in one month.

He may start the season out on the IR, two teams turned him down, so obviously there was a problem.

That may be the case, we dont have any idea what value the Bears put on their oline until they put on pads. Its a little premature to assume Jenkins is a bust because he was put on the second team. At this point the only thing that matters is that he is healthy and go from there. One month from now we will be complaining or praising what they did. As you said we dont know.

The moving OTs around is trying to get insight into their potential to start. Before training camp starts they may bring in Fisher or Brown to man the LT spot. They are still available. They have a month to evaluate what they have. I think Jenkins to the second unit could just be they know what they have and wanted to see what the other OTs looked like with the first team. I think if they don't think the OTs are up to it, they will bring someone in. Also I can see them bringing in a vet OL to take Doziers place. Daryl Williams is idea because he could also play RT. There are still options out there.

The only team that would be a playoff contender with some cap space is Las Vegas. There roster appears to have a need as they didnt resign a couple of pass rushers for free agents. The problem with the Raiders is this yr they pay Adams 8.5 mil, next year Adams has a 30 mil cap hit. There cap money goes down to 8 mil. next yr, the problem would be if they trade for Quinn, his next yrs cap hit is 17 mil, if they cut him its a 12.5 mil dead money hit. That blows their cap in 2023 out of the water. So even if we want to trade him, not that easy.

The first game is crucial. SF possibly changing QBs and Deebo contract problems, we could upset them at home. If that happens, I can see us starting 3-1 and the confidence level sky high. That would mean defense is playing well and don't get rid of the Quinn if they have a playoff shot.

If Kreutz is right and Mustifer ends up starting at one of two positions, is that going to piss everybody off? Although not blue chip talent, we have 16 OL on the team right now. There is two at least average or about average players in Patrick and Whitehair. A second round pick that has great upside in Jenkins. So out the 13 other OLs, somebody has to stand out enough to at least be an average player for this yr. When called upon Mustifer played well in 2020. The Oline coach had him gain 30 lbs and he had a bad yr. Olin said that he didnt handle the weight well. Olin is helping him train and should have realistic input into him getting better. I would say they ask him to lose some weight to adjust to what they are looking for. Also Sam could go back to center because Patrick could still call line plays from RG spot. Patrick has played more guard than he has OC sinced his time in the NFL.

So what is his worth if we eat say 50% of the money? 3th or 4th? No way anyone is giving you more if they know you want to get rid of him. Logically he has more value on our team if you have to eat money. You get offered a 4th and 6 th next year and then pay half his salary? Why would they do that? Because an old dude didn't want to come to minicamp you dump him? That's something Pace would do, I don't think Poles is that dumb.

One aspect not brought up is the fact they know what they have in Jenkins and are trying to see how others do playing with the #1 team, what they are capable of. As it looks maybe they view Borom as the swing tackle. Someone else suggested that. . Olin Kruetz said , the starting 5 will be Borom-Whitehair-Mustifer-Patrick-Jenkins. I'll go with Olin unless we add a vet. He trains Mustifer, so his opinion may be bias but the truth is he knows what it takes to be a NFL lineman.

Kmet worked out with Fields also, and I'm sure he will be there. I like they are taking this seriously. Can't always tell what young players will do once they get paid. I don't think this is that common where whole groups get together with their QB to build chemistry.

When they can hit, that's when I will be judging the line play, both sides of the ball.

Quinn stated just before the draft, he didn't want to be traded, so until he comes out and says different, I'm just going with, he's old and is just shorting his camp work, lazy. The Bears also said they want him here. Or he wants a bum in contract because of his18.5 sacks last year? We don't know until he talks.

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He would be ideal, can play OG and OT. Olin Kruetz tweeted that the starting oline will be Borom Whitehair- Mustifer- Patrick- Jenkins. Unless they bring in someone else. He said to not rule out Mustifer on this line, he works hard and knows what he needs to do to be better.

There has to be a conversion going on for the coaches to say they aren't concerned at Quinn not being here. Because of his age I can see him passing this camp , his skill set is not something you need to practice for as long as he is up on defensive scheme. He was in Dallas when Marinelli was there. Same scheme. I think everyone should be here, but doesn't happen that way. No big deal until he's not there at training camp.

Flus defense is a 7 to the ball all over the field which I suspect will give up some yardage but prevent less scoring and produce more TOs. The 2018 defense was great because it had so many TOs. I think we will definitely be more productive in that area. Also with everybody having to be in better shape and with more speed on the D, I think we end up with a better defense. Everywhere Flus has coached was always better when he took over the defense. One thing was constant, more speed.

Mechanics is something that can be fixed. We have already seen some changes. Changing foot positioning, and shorter throwing motion. I think we have coaches that can actually develop a prospect. Nagy was stuck in the ( my scheme) lane and couldn't get past it. These coaches are going to fit the offense around Fields. Win win

The only way Quinn gets traded is if the other DEs look good and a contender has an injury with a stud pass rusher making a big offer. If they really wanted to trade him they would have during the draft.

They base their opinions on who left more than who's here. Mack gone, only played 7 games and was hurt. Hicks gone , was injured and only played 9 games. AROB sucked. Then Daniels wasn't resigned, truth is he was second in the league in giving up pressures at the OG position, 39 last year. They all will play better this year but they're to pricey to rebuild the roster with. I believe we will be a lot better this year. #1 better coaching or I should say, no Nagy. #2 Fields is going to be the man. He has ever trait the elite QBs have, smart, hard worker, loves football and wants to be the man. Plus , fast , strong arm, and focused. He's the guy getting Mooney and Kmet to work out with him. Isn't injury prone. I don't remember the name of the test but before he was drafted they talked about him being ranked first out of all the QBs drafted over the last 10 yrs. I think Burrow was second. He has it all and will be the main reason we win 8-9 games this year.

I don't put a lot of stock in PFF, but it is just a measuring tool to compare. Sometimes their right but they never figure intangibles in their equations. They project stats by what they did in college for rookies and that can be so wrong.

I seen where PFF had us listed as the worst WR group in the league. I know there are a lot of questions but the fact we have Justin Fields at QB will make a lot of questions go away. Mooney is going to be a star, and Pringle has the traits to be a dependable member. The rest will have questions but with Kmet and Monty out of the backfield, we have weapons. Someone else will standout from that group.

I dont know if the injury has had a effect on his play, but here is the NFL draft profile for Tevan Jenkins. His athleticism and blocking on the second level is a strength. I think they know what they have in Jenkins and are trying to see what other players can do. Its amazing how journalists are raging on Tevan over one practice. Maybe out of all the OTs on the team he is the only one they think could play RG at a high level. Playing in shorts does not say much about line play. As far as Braxton Jones, we already have a comparison player on the team, Julian Danvenport. Has all the measurables, small school, athletic. He has developed into a backup player in the NFL. Jones has a long way to go, but I think development it what makes or breaks players in the NFL. We just have to see how this plays out. I think the fact we have a good edge rusher room will help on the development of all our OTs on the team. By Lance Zierlein NFL Analyst Draft Projection Round 1 NFL Comparison Joe Thuney Overview NFL-ready frame with broad chest and thick lower half. Jenkins not only plays with excellent upper-body power and hand strength, he combines it with a desired level of body control and athleticism to create a consistent, toolsy talent. His instincts and processing serve him well in quickly sifting through moving pieces. He can be an intolerant run blocker, looking to finish and bury his opponent once he gets his block locked and centered. Jenkins has good tackle tape, but his short arms and average range in pass sets could be something to keep an eye on. Whether it is at tackle or guard, Jenkins has the talent to become an early starter and a successful pro. Strengths Split low with wide frame, good power and excellent body control. Instinctive feel for positioning and quick to adjust his blocks when needed. Powerful core allows him to base up and flatten the edge for running backs. Full sustain mode closes door once his hands lock in. Ready and willing to bury his man. Plays under squared pads as a climbing blocker. Athleticism for smooth drift from block to block on second level. Quick to set out on wide-angle rushers and close the distance. Keeps hands back until his target is within range. Strong, sure hands clench up and stall rush attack. Capable hand fighting to recapture control. Solid mirror and redirection win space.

agree with everything. I dont know if you like Greg Gabriel or not but he is insightful. People raging on Jenkins because he was with the second unit. The press only get to see a few practices, Greg noted that they are probably changing things around in every practice to figure out what they have and who will be the best 5 on the field. Patrick seems to be locked and Whitehair aint moving but every other position has many suitors. If Mustifer is the 5th best OL, I can see him going to OC and Patrick slide over. He could still make line calls at the RG spot. I like that they arent stuck with one scenario. I think the lineup they put out there will be good enough.

I read where when WRs were running some routes and they let them have contact. And some pass rush drills were more physical than normal. No big deal. The players started it, the coaches just let them play. No big deal.

With all the talk about the pro or con with the different position groups, the key to this season is Justin Fields. I think he is capable of a Josh Allen type of step forward. He's intelligent, hard worker, and loves football. Everything needed to be a successful QB. I think our coaches now are capable of developing players, I couldn't say that last year.