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I never saw that, if he's not healthy, no use keeping him , 3 mil is probably the rookie money we have to pay.

I think the only thing that might come in to play is Pace thinks his job is on the line and wants immediate help. But good teams draft BPA , we will find out soon what they think.

I agree other than if we had the chance to draft the top 4. Most people think they would be rookie starters but odds of that are none. I think they would give the veterans a chance to prove themselves first.

The only 3 that could be there in our spot that might drop are Jones, Cleveland or Jackson that are rated high. OTs like Price Tego Wanogho, Naing and Isiah Wilson are lower rated than our draft spot. Would be considered reaching. If we trade back they come in play. I like Matt Peart and Robert Hunt 90 to 110 range that could be just as good. That gives us the option to pick a SS and WR before we need to draft the OT. Anyone I mentioned here probably aren't first year starters other than an injury to Leno or Massie.

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It's interesting that A. Davis is ranked higher than Chinn and Duggar for safeties. 50, 54, 58 respectfully. Adam if you have a subscription to the Athletic, you can get Dane Buglers draft guide free. You click it and the password is Bea$T20!

Josh Jones plays LT.

With only 2 high picks for now , we have to figure we only get 2 potential starters at 43 -50 . What helps us the most since we added players at all of our need spots. It we draft a OT, almost anyone we would get there is going to need 1 yr of growing. Jones- Cleveland and jackson are all rated higher but could drop. Is it worth setting him down for 1 yr? Ruiz is the only IOL ranked a head of us, with bringing in IFEDI and holdovers Bars- Coward. Ruiz may start but we're doubling up on assets we have at that spot. A bigtime WR would bring added speed for our offense but may not even be a starter his first year. A RB starts out 3rd on the depth chart , so many reps he going to get in his first year. We have 9 TEs in camp and this class is rated low for impact players. If we get one of top 3 , he will have limited reps. Rarely do rookie TEs make an impact. No QB, available to us would ever win a starting job in his first year. Our front 7 are set . We could use depth at edge and ILB but I doubt anyone worth taking at our spot would have an impact his first year. We have questions at CB but at least have options, is a rookie going to start day one ? Probably not. We have an allstar FS and a backup penciled in at the other starters spot. Definitely a high pick rookie could make an impact over Bush. So for me SS is a no brainer . A top WR could start with Miller staying in the slot. OG is probably the only other spot that could start day 1. A LT could be deemed important enough to draft now knowing next year we need to upgrade both OT spots. So for me: SS and WR.

The problem is they don't know about 50 until you get there. Your in the draft room and have to make a decision. Nobody is going to trade with you until your on the clock. They can't presume who will be there over knowing who is there.

Wen I do mocks, when a really good player is there, I have to ask myself if one or whoever is on the list is to good a player to pass up. Then try to trade your 50 . Is any of them players capable of being a top 15 in the league. From what I read the only 2 with that kind of potential would be Ruiz and Delpit. The rest I wouldn't hesitate to trade back. So the question is not what we would do but really is WHAT you think the bears would do.i would have to think long and hard about Jones. a potential 8 yr starter at LT after a yr of gaining strength and tutoring. He could replace Leno next year and if he gets hurt fill in this year. Everyone here wants Leno replaced. Preferably soon.

Options: trade back 43 to Cincinnati for 65- 107- 147 Grant Delpit K. J. Hamiler Cesar Ruiz Josh Jones A. J. Terrel What do you do?

Anybody here: Would you trade 43 for NE's 87- 98- 100 also a latter pick to try to balance value ? 172

I don't see them wanting anyone but maybe Cohen . I think they might want a draft pick to. Cohen was a 4th round pick, I think Howard was a first round pick. 19th actually. No way they trade even up.

If BPA ends up being 2 Safeties in this draft, that's not a bad thing provided we get extra picks. In many mock drafts I took Delpit in the second round and Brooks was still there with our late picks. Like AZ said before, SS is huge to be able to allow EJac more freedom in the back end and covering TEs.

The OL needs to play up to 2018 expectations because we probably only upgrade the RG . I think we ranked somewhere in the middle 15th or 16th as a team. Last year the oline screwed up our offensive production by not allowing us to get our running game going and put the defense on the field more often that wore then down late in games. They had to many penalties that killed drives. I went back and watched several games from 2019 and 2018 and the oline played better in 2018 but still wasn't very good. Hopefully Daniel's takes a step forward and we can get average play out of our OTs. IFEDI or who ever plays RG needs to be good to make our offense better.

Your back to this competition thing again . Everyone gets some things right and something's wrong when they predict moves. I just don't keep track of everyone's wins or loses, apparently that's important to you. All of this started with making 1 bet and that's fine , some things I agree with you and when I don't, I give my opinions. I'm not really interested in making every opinion a competition because sometimes I agree with you and sometimes I don't. It's just having a conversation. For example : I see a list of people you think will be cut ( Robinson) and then you go to explain, you said you didn't think he would be cut. Sometimes it's just confusing. I don't understand why you put him on the list?

I was sleeping when that news broke ( in Thailand). I seen the drug fail after whoever made the remarks about him dropping in the draft. He may drop but I still doubt it gets to us.

We have 1 bet that leno starts the first game barring any injuries, we kinda have to wait until the season starts for that one. I hope your right on that one because that means we upgraded the spot.i just don't think it will happen.

We are all just giving our opinions here , I didn't know we were competing on what we got right and wrong. I did think they would keep Floyd because they would do a new contract to make his price cheaper. I also said that if they had to pay him 13 mil he was not worth keeping. I also said if Burton was healthy they would keep him . I don't know if he's healthy or not. If he doesn't pass a physical when he goes to a new team then maybe he's not healthy. So I guess you WON those arguments. The difference between you and me is I'm not on here trying to tell everyone that ( I was right about most stuff I predicted) . I just brought up that most to you was 4 of 10 right. Like you said there is time for all your predictions to come to. You still have to wait on Leno Patterson Robinson Shaheen Cohen Braunnecker So if it matters I think Shaheen and Braunnecker are probably gone but not today. So that means you would have 6 of 10 right and then you can make sure to tell everyone how smart you are.

It's strange that last year Dax Raymond was getting accolades for being a 4- 5th round pick value and became our property as a UDFA. He went to the practice squad and we never heard from him again. I read he needed to gain strength and was slow at picking up the offense. I would think this year he maybe get noticed more to at least have a chance of making the roster.

Speed help. RBs. From what I have read about Antonio Gibson: good size / RB/ WR 4.39 Anthony McFarland : good size - productive 4.44 Ray Calais: 5'8" 188. Explosive RBBC type 4.42 Darrynton Evans: good skills 5'10" 203 4.41 Johnathan Taylor: 4.39 complete RB 4.39 TEs. Alberto Okwuegbunam; good size 4.49 Chase Claypool: 4.42- good size - decent blocker ( I listed him here because I think this is the position some teams will use him as) Brycen Hopkins bad blocker- good receiver 4.66 WRS. Brandon Aiyuk: plays faster than 40 time on film 4.5 Tyrie Cleveland: size and speed 4.46 Isaiah Coulter: 4:45 size and speed - raw Devin Duvenary: 4 39 decent size playmaker John Hightower: 4.43 size - raw but quick Stephen Guirdy: good size 4.47 Darrell Mooney 4.38 decent size quick Quiz Watkins 4.35 decent size playmaker Freddie Swain: 4.46 decent size low productive in college Jason Reagor, Mims and Hamler all have good speed , Hamler is small, Reagor is a playmaker and Mims has everything going for him. Probably picked before us. MY IDEAL DRAFT: Trading back and having 4 top110 picks getting a safety Chinns- Duggar or Davis Devin Duvenary WR Chase Claypool/ TE Antonio Gibson RB They all fall around picks 70 to 110 in most drafts I see. That's some serious speed.

Throwing darts at potentially good players that failed is fine. 1 out of 3 may succeed on a high level. It's a minimum contract and at worst gets cut in training camp. Out of the former high pick vets we added, I would say IFEDI seems to have the best chance at succeeding. Some times a fresh start with a new coach and put at OG instead of RT may just be what the doctor ordered. Burns and Mingo are probably what you see is what you get , depth players. Robertson is on a different trajectory, changed leagues, may turn out well. Spriggs will have to prove something.

I read some draft profiles on Muse and flexibility was a question but most said he makes up for that with football IQ. He was a team captain and has the ability to cover TEs and RBs. A good tackler but was suggested he put on 10 lbs and become a LB, weakside or middle in the 3-4. Sounds more like a backup than a starter but Kwit had some of the same characteristics put on him when he came out. They said a hard worker and rentless pursuit. They're many better options but sounds at the least a good special teams player and NFL backup. Plus 4.41 speed doesn't hurt.

I'm sure someone like a Higgins or Josh Jones could drop down but a top 4 OT will never make it out of the first round. I think they just haven't adjusted their board, a lot of players have moved up the board. Erza Cleveland was not even in the top 100 player and now he could go in the first round.

I'm not saying that Woods and Iggy are the answer but the fact we didn't add a backup in FAGENCY suggests they have more faith in them that fans do. I still think a draft pick and vet after the draft are still in play. Tolliver was also a UDFA and he seems to have developed more than Joseph but the fact they haven't replaced Joseph yet , maybe he still could make it. He was considered a 6th or 7th round pick and being 6'1" with speed , 15 int , 40 pbs he was worth taking a chance on.