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With the tape on Shea, I dont get what NE saw. Yes he made tackles but they were not at the line of scrimmage. They were always 4 to 6 yards down the field. He was countless times taking himself out of lanes to make plays because of his instincts. He had a difficult time shedding blocks. I really think he is a good guy but not a good football player. Time will tell, but do not think I am wrong about him. Because a guy has decent size or good speed, does not make him a good football player.

I like this draft and have been reading some good things about Ward. There is so much information out there sometimes it is hard to figure out what is right. There are a few websites I like as far as how they rate players and have found them to be consistent as far as evaluation. Matt Miller Great Blue North Draft Report Draft countdown Greg Gabrial

The one thing you need in a Fox type offense is a good blocking TE and as much as we are talking about the same thing with pass catching ability, none of our TEs are good blockers. that is why we simply need to draft one.

There is a lot to like about that, but suspect pks 2 thru 4 probably go one round before. What rating did you use?

I would take either but in what round is the key. I think they both go in the 2nd round, and I would not like either at that point. I have read some bad press on Henry but think he will be a good NFL player. If they were both there in the 3rd, I would probably take Henry because we have Langford and think he could be a really good player. I think there is more depth at the RB position that could be go in later rounds.

He got a 3 year 12 mil contract with 3.5 mil guaranteed. That is basically a one year deal. Not let me see, Freeman at the same money or Shea? Man did we win that one.

I did not say it is a guarantee that we become a wining team, but that now we have some leadership that we didnt have before, the future looks bright. The 85 Bears did have some issues, but they had so much talent there was no stopping them. I did not say in 2 or 3 years they would be washed up, I meant that I think the plan is to be good in 2 to 3 years and I do not think they would have been here anyways. I do not think they would resigned either one with the thought of getting younger. Marshall will 33 and 34 . Bennett will be 31 and 32. No where did I say either of them are bad players. Lots of rich athletes have egos. They do not fit on a team with a coach like Fox. I am not saying, he is king, but I think he is no nonsense guy and does not put up with me, me guys. I think our future is bright with Fox , Pace and Fangio. I think we finally get a consistent winner and content every year for awhile. This could all fall to shit and in a few years I will be complaining about them to, but I remain optimistic we are headed in the right direction.

What's your point? We have enough draft picks to cover drafting a TE. I hope Housler plays well but if you go by his career , pretty average to not so good.

Miller is injury prone,Housler is just a body and we have no idea what we have in Lee. That is precisely why we need to draft another prospect. We have to keep moving forward. A prospect with the extra pick we got from NE would be a perfect fit for that spot.

They are not drafting a TE in the first round simply because the BPA scenario with apply and Hunter at best is a early 2 nd round pick.

First of all when you answer a question about whether we draft a TE, that means in the whole draft, so your answer would be yes. As far as addressing Jason's question, we will draft a TE. The only one of significant valve is Henry of which we would have to probably draft in the second round. So I do not think we draft one until the 4th round with that extra pick we got from NE. Projected in that round would be Nick Vannett/OS-Jarelle Adams/SC-Jake McGee/F-Tyler Higbee/WK Out of those I like Vannett and Higbee the best. Good size, good blockers and potential in the passing game. As far as free agency, I would chase Scott Chandler for a mediocre deal. He has some pass skills but is a good blocker. You figure him, with less time for Miller(save him from injuries) you can make the TE position competent. I think White is going to take off and with Jeffery, if Royal stays healthy, you only need average stats from your TE position.

They didnt keep Marshall so your premise does not apply. The problem with the team over the last few years is numerous but under Trestman he wasn't a leader. Our leader in the locker room was Marshall, unless this is an insane asylum probably not a good idea. If we still had leaders in the locker room like Urlacher or Krentz, none of this shit would have happened. You need team leaders or a Coach that commands the ship ,not egocentric players. The result of this is a losing team. We now have a coach that controls the chemistry of the team. That is a good thing, and not a bad thing because we dont like all of his decisions. In 2 or 3 years when we get good again, Marshall and Bennett would have been gone anyways, so we might as well have a youth injection and move forward.

I dont where blinders and agree with everything a team does.If you have been on here for a long time you will know I have a mouth on me when agreeing or disagreeing with a particular topic. In this case I disagree with your point of view, as animate as you are about it, the same animation I disagree against that premise. Life is not perfect and we need to just learn to go with the flow, if everybody had the same point of view about everything this would be a boring site. For me being a Bear fan, I try to understand the reasons for everything and try to stay positive about the future, I do not agree with all choices but in the end if we become a consistent winning football franchise, Im on board.

I would prefer to have them here, because I am not in the locker room and have to deal with the crab that those put forth. Unfortunately everything is just not that simple, your a good player so lets kiss your ass and keep you. Sitting in my seat, I dont get to see everything that occurs behind close doors and I do not agree with everything any regime does as far as the Bears go. I am a plumber and am working on a large job with 16 men there. Work should be a more pleasant experience than having to work with an asshole that keeps drama in the air all the time. There is one that always keeps tension in the forefront, and just because he is a good worker and smart as his job doesn't mean his attitude affect everybody working there. Maybe you are fortunate to not have to experience that in your job but I prefer a better attitude when having to spend so much time with some asshole. The plumber I am talking about just got sent away last monday and work is more enjoyable.

I can see if falling like that, I can buy into that being a good draft.

Marshall was a cancer, history proves he wears out his welcome even thou he puts up good stats. Bennett plain and simple would have held out for a new contract, he doesnt really care about his teammates, it is all about money to him. The final straw was when he publicly stated he didnt watch his teammates play when he sat out the Thanksgiving day game. He is a good player but when all you do is be a whiny little bitch because 5 mil that you have owed to you was enough last year but now he wants more money. If you love Marshall so much or Bennett, they play for other teams, go watch them.

Let me see we didnt win anything with the great Brandon Marshall, or how did we do last year with Marvelous Bennett? The fact is we need to change the culture of this time, we simply have not been very good. Let me see, one SB appearance since the 1985 team. Im all in on trying something different and I think we have a GM and a coach that can get us there. Everything isnt perfect but Im willing to wait a few years and see how this turns out. OR I can bitch like you and pretend Im a huge Bear fan that doesnt see the valve in what is going on now.

I like what i see so far but ultimately it will take 3 years to judge him, like we usually do with players. We could look and say he screwed this up or made a nice move there, but will only matter that we become a consistent winner and get to a SB.

How do you not get he was a problem for the team? Yes he had talent, but was a problem for the new coach. He did not attend OTAs(bad start with a new coaching staff), he complained all the time he wasnt getting the ball enough. HE WOULD HAVE HELD OUT IF NOT GIVEN A NEW CONTRACT. He had run in with players on the team. Was sent home twice last year during practice for being a problem. Read about his issues , there is the stories coming out now that he is gone. Just because he is a good player, doesnt mean he is good for the team. To much of a me player,Fox needs guys to buy in to team effort not constantly causing problems.

Or watch him fail . Just because NE signed him doesnt mean he becomes a good player. If he can stick good for him but I have my doubts. We will have to see what his contract was.

Seems someone gave him some money.

I think they have one more 3 year 12 mil deal left to make, not sure who that would be. We could use a S, another DL or a CB

Actually there is 1.125 mil in dead money, but still a plus.

Were getting a 4th and giving them our 6th, not such a bad deal for someone who didnt want to be here.

He is not starting in Seattle. Good for him he got better and made some money. If you hitch a wagon to a guy, maybe pick someone with more upside. He was not very good then, and has grown a little, I dont think that is saying a lot.