madlithuanian Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-bears-roquan-smith-contract-20180801-story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaBear Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 yep. Doesn't really surprise me with this generation.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted August 1, 2018 Report Share Posted August 1, 2018 See what you've done! Now the conspiracy theorist in me thinks Roquan has a skeleton in his closet that may cost him down the road... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 I fully realize the scenario in place, and the contract language being discussed. At this point, it's clear Roquan Smith, his agent, or both are to blame for the entire situation. He's quickly losing fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DABEARSDABOMB Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 Yep - If this is true, it is all on Smith and his agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 This is getting really interesting. I wonder if/when this gets resolved. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyfishingBear Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 Given some of the high profile off the field issues some players have had, no way I agree to this as an organization. If you're concerned about losing your money because of off the field issues, maybe try being a responsible grownup and not putting yourself into crap situations. I've gotten into my fair share of trouble, but it's not that hard to stay out of it. To be honest, this kind of thinking is dangerous to the team. I hope it gets worked out and Smith is a great player for the Bears, but I'm a Bears fan, not a player fan. I'd rather let him walk, and get nothing for him, draft someone who can get on-board, than play this stupid game. I know - crazy. But the prima Donna athlete B.S. gets old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 I think this is all on CAA. They are trying to get this is Smith's contract so they can use it as a precedent get it into other contracts. Smith needs to end this. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 hour ago, jason said: I fully realize the scenario in place, and the contract language being discussed. At this point, it's clear Roquan Smith, his agent, or both are to blame for the entire situation. He's quickly losing fans. The agent is trying to pull the keys from ownership. It is too bad we have, who I believe is, a great guy and the language would never effect him. This is giving him a black eye if it does not get resolved soon. This article clarifies more of what is going on and is damaging to Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
50england50 Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 With Trevathan not losing guaranteed money last year I can’t see why Smith can’t see that the Bears will do the right thing such as what they did with Miller (TE) giving him a 1 year contract It seems that Smith and his agents are also wanting protection if Smith is disciplined for other non football matters and I would be really disappointed if they concede to this. I would rather the Bears maintain their position even if he never signs for the Bears and we lose the player at the cost of the 1st round pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 So lets trade him and next years first to the Raiders for Mack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ54 Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Bill said: So lets trade him and next years first to the Raiders for Mack. Not so sure about next year's first in that deal but the trade concept I like. Having to pay out one of the biggest contracts, if not the biggest, for a defensive player is a tough pill to swallow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan2000 Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 So from a logistics standpoint, if this never gets worked out. How does that play out? Does he take the year off and be part of next years draft leaving us with out our first round pick in this past draft? Do we get compensation for that? Feels like if a deal doesn't get done we get screwed. I agree with the comment about agents wanting to use this contract dispute as precedent protect players from losing money even if they do something stupid that ultimately lets down their team and hurts the team. In game heat of the moment type things is one thing, off field issues, or even repeated poor behavior on the field is entirely another. If a player is going to be an ars there needs to be consequences to that behavior. It makes me concerned if he's that concerned about being a screw up that it's holding this thing up. If the Bears have proven anything it's that they try to do right by their players. They could have taken away Travathon's guarantees, and they didn't need to extend Miller a contract knowing full well he'd not play this year. The Bears aren't the cheapskates they used to be, and aren't the kind of organization that looks to screw it's players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted August 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 1 hour ago, BearFan2000 said: So from a logistics standpoint, if this never gets worked out. How does that play out? Does he take the year off and be part of next years draft leaving us with out our first round pick in this past draft? Do we get compensation for that? Feels like if a deal doesn't get done we get screwed. I agree with the comment about agents wanting to use this contract dispute as precedent protect players from losing money even if they do something stupid that ultimately lets down their team and hurts the team. In game heat of the moment type things is one thing, off field issues, or even repeated poor behavior on the field is entirely another. If a player is going to be an ars there needs to be consequences to that behavior. It makes me concerned if he's that concerned about being a screw up that it's holding this thing up. If the Bears have proven anything it's that they try to do right by their players. They could have taken away Travathon's guarantees, and they didn't need to extend Miller a contract knowing full well he'd not play this year. The Bears aren't the cheapskates they used to be, and aren't the kind of organization that looks to screw it's players. I think we are SOL if he doesn't sign with us. I think he goes back into next year's draft and we lose the pick. Maybe someone else here knows the exacts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Connorbear Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 I think he would just go into the draft next year and we are out a draft pick. Peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mongo3451 Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 There is no way it goes that far. To start, next year's draft is loaded with defenders and Smith is lucky to get drafted in the top 15 costing him millions, let alone a year of lost income. He'll be in camp soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted August 2, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 27 minutes ago, Mongo3451 said: There is no way it goes that far. To start, next year's draft is loaded with defenders and Smith is lucky to get drafted in the top 15 costing him millions, let alone a year of lost income. He'll be in camp soon. I sure hope so Mongo. Not sure what kind of spell CAA is putting over Smith in order to further their gains with contracts going forward. Trumaine was their client too, yet somehow Smith drew shortest straw to be made example of to move their agenda forward on our dime. F CAA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan2000 Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 seems like the next CBA needs to address this. The slotting was a good start to reign in outlandish deals for players who've yet to play a down, now the agent are squabbling over things like this. It's a rookie contract, these kids need to be in camp on time. Haggling over things like this doesn't serve their clients or their clients team well. It's a power struggle and they are using clients to gain future business trying to look like "we're fighting for you." Do we have to get to a point where rookie contracts and their language is standardized? It's a way different thing than a players second or third contract. Time missed as a rookie is far more valuable to the player and respective team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted August 2, 2018 Report Share Posted August 2, 2018 Roquan is not the only CAA represented player, and all the others have signed. So it is hard to point the finger at them now if all their other clients have signed. Ultimately it is between the team and the player. Right now both sides are failing IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madlithuanian Posted August 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2018 It's a pissing contest and us fans are getting the splash hitting us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearFan PHX Posted August 7, 2018 Report Share Posted August 7, 2018 On 8/3/2018 at 2:07 PM, madlithuanian said: It's a pissing contest and us fans are getting the splash hitting us... true. mostly this is an advertisement for CAA to show they fight for players even when contracts are slotted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulster Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 Agent works for the player. Agent negotiates whatever the player wants, or they get fired. This is on the player, agent is just following orders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger226 Posted August 8, 2018 Report Share Posted August 8, 2018 I thought getting a stud player with good character and a hard worker would be no problem being into camp. I think the CAA put the on field hits into the contract and the Bears caved in to get him in to camp. Then CAA added other parameters into it because they saw a pushover in negotiations and this is where we are at. Smith has say so but not like he has ever did this before and is in a catch 22 situation. I see him being in camp within a week, pushing this to the limit doesn't bold well for either side. The extra practice time because of the HOF game puts this is more public place but one week will still be plenty of time to get acclimated to the NFL and start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASHKUM BEAR Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 I dont know if he starts game one if Kwit and Trevathon are ready. Smith will have to earn his spot. He would have time if he gets in the next few days, but neither side is talking anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason Posted August 9, 2018 Report Share Posted August 9, 2018 Pertinent: https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/08/roquan-smith-joins-fraternity-of-infamous-chicago-bears-1st-round-holdouts/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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