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‘Borrowed’ this story on another site I saw about Roquan Smith. Essentially says of all the players last year who got at least 100 tackles, Roquan “only missed 3.8% of his tackles”. Putting him in the “top three” of the defenders last year. This after he only played 12 games too. Pretty freaking amazing! https://sportsmockery.com/2020/05/roquan-smith-might-be-the-most-disrespected-player-in-the-nfl/

Didn’t say it was the definition of herd immunity, but that it’s an element of...herd immunity. Here’s an article from Johns Hopkins on the matter. (since you Insist in cites). It speaks a little on the earlier point AZ made and dispels your theory on the commonality to the flu. https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/articles/achieving-herd-immunity-with-covid19.html I swear I’m done this time...

Yes it would seem most times I post you get your panties in a twist. With you it doesn’t take much. You mentioned the current mantra of ‘stay at home if you don’t like it’ which is an element of herd immunity. You also ‘assume’ that everything will be alright and won’t be much worse than the ‘common flu’. I don’t see the point in me citing facts for you as I’m sure you’d ignore them anyhow and you have your mind made up. So allegedly having COVID makes you an expert on the matter? I suppose my driving fast qualifies me as a race car driver? Probably not. If you’d like to continue this discussion off-line please feel free to send me a DM. I’ll be more than willing to carry on if you are. Go Bears.

Holy cow Adam I thought you retired several years ago(?). What’d you do 30 years? Lol... congrats on your retirement and thank you for your service. I retired back in ‘09 and that seems like an eon ago. But in response to your statement above. Very well said and thank you for sharing your thoughts. It is as simple as that. Not sure what all occurred at the upper levels of government not even at the state level but yes the response was slow across the board. The 10th amendment does in fact allow states to essentially govern and protect their citizenry aside from what the Federal Government can and should do. So the culpability (and hopefully success) of the before and after affects of this are shared across the board.

And I’d second Connor’s acknowledgement. Well said Bill.

*edit* Never mind. Not worth it. I’ll stand by my original statement and leave it in the hands of the respective experts/professionals.

That very comment is biased and political by its very nature. And probably one of the lamest out there. How this post was presented with its supporting facts/conjecture is and if itself, political. As you can see there is an extreme feeling or viewpoint on what and how things should be done next; opposite of what was proposed. Rushing to a re-opening so we can watch football in all the respective states is not the majority view. Nor is keeping everything “locked down”. For this pandemic there is a common ground that can be met, but because of politics...we can’t get there. If you and AZ claim to be as concerned about the science as you allege, you’d understand that although this virus may not kill you it very well could kill someone you love or someone else down the line. Like with many viruses, the average incubation period of 2 weeks allows it to be transmitted from one host to another without detection. In fact several studies have concluded and been proven that asymptomatic carriers could be more prevalent than we realize. When you introduce the idea of ‘herd immunity’ as you did above you then again pit science against economics. Ergo: politics. As I said before, in my humble opinion sports and politics should not be interwoven. One is simply for entertainment purpose and to allow an escape from the stressors of everyday life, the other adds unnecessary stressors to that life.

I was going to say that if I learned nothing more about the Colin Kaepernick episode of a few years ago; politics and sports need to be separate. Especially in today’s world. I’ll leave the decision of what’s best to the NFL players and their fans to the Owners, commissioner and the Union (aka all players). I’ll leave the decision of what’s best for each individual state and its residents to their respective leadership. If it means games with empty stands, so be it. If it means no football this year, also fine.

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I get it. It sure would be nice if he were to ‘get it’. If he actually played a little like Gronk we’d be sitting pretty with him as our TE. His knock is his not being able to stay healthy. It seems like he's always injured. Even when he played it was like nearly every time he caught a pass he came up limping or wincing. If he were to hold it together long enough to not be hurt I’d like to see what he can do. But he’s had three (?) years to do that and really running out of time. After seeing Horstead and Holtz play last year it may come down to who’s done more lately?

Tolliver was an improvement over Prince last year. It was apparent in 2018 that Prince was slowing down. Didn’t he predict he’d have 10 INTs that year? If Johnson is able to stay healthy he could be a decent corner.

Realistically speaking and aside from the 2006 and 2018 teams we haven’t given anyone outside of Chicago good reason to pay attention to us. That’s my practical side speaking. But... Like you said; to have a player of Mack’s caliber paired with a player like Quinn, Smith, Jackson and Hicks led by a highly successful coach in Pagano; it is pure lunacy to think the team would be any less than what they were last year. The defense by itself did not drop off that much from the transition of Fangio to Pagano. They were still a top 10 defense, even after losing a core of their starters. With the defense alone they are a top 15 maybe top 10 team. With the offense and even my skeptical nature I feel pretty confident they got better, not worse. Foles I think will do well. IF the line does its job and he doesn’t get hurt. I actually think a light will go on with Trubisky this year. He’s threatened for not only his position but career. If he doesn’t rise up, he’ll forever be relegated to backup duties...somewhere else. Just how far up he rises will be on him. With the combination of Foles potential and Trubiksy’s drive our offense should easily help keep the team in the top 10 if not top 5. I’d say ‘how goes the QB, so goes the offense’.

Upon further review, Gipson appears to be bargain player. He started his career in 2012 with the Browns after being signed as an UDFA. That same year Mark Barron and Harrison Smith were drafted as the number one and two safeties (Barron 7th overall pick and Smith 29th overall)., Barron has since morphed into a LB and as of this moment is a FA. Smith has been playing safety his whole career with Minnesota. Anyhow some comparative stats. Barron: 710* tackles, 12 sacks, 42 pass defensed and 9 INTs (*started playing LB in 2014 and in 2015 and 2016 totaled over 110 tackles each year) Smith: 658 tackles, 13 sacks, 57 pass defensed and 23 INTs Gipson: 450 tackles, 0 sacks, 46 pass defensed and 23 INTs. So over the course of his career he averages 56 tackles per season, is second of the three in passes defensed and tied at the most INTs with 23. (Don't mind the 0 sacks). But all things considered and that he was not drafted compared to these two I'd say he's done all right. And really we couldn’t expect a lot more out of him as the staring SS. The only thing I'd be concerned with his durability after last season's injury and his injury history in general. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2589096-tashaun-gipson-injury-updates-on-jaguars-safetys-knee-and-return

Case closed... ??

Or a Brandon Browner minus all the holding calls...and the attempted murder charge.

Or at least around it... (I saw what you did there - ?). Not a huge fan of this. Gipson (5’11” 212#) plays more like HHCD. And like dawhizz says, is coming off an injury riddled season. Went out on IR for a back fracture late last year. Personally for me that doesn’t fare well for a guy you need ‘in the box’.

Maybe they’re thinking of using Patterson as a Tackle? ? Or one of them blocking TEs to help Leno? Which is it again; Y or U?

So you’ve shifted your point. Which is fine. And you’re right; tackling is in question for him. But then again the fact that Denmark just transitioned from WR to DB about two (?) seasons ago gives me pause. His draft analysis (that I highlighted earlier) as a DB questions his ability to transition for coverage and tackling.

Fair enough (and for the record I’m glad you didn’t take the definition as a dig). In the end, of the players currently on the team, I’ll admit Denmark is the most intriguing. Mostly due to his size. But I don’t have anything to go off (statistics or performance) to think he’d be any better at it than a guy who is smaller. Maybe my suggestion isn’t the answer (probably not) but I don’t think we should entirely discount it on size only. If I had any say (which obviously I have none) the Bears would’ve drafted Delpit long before adding another TE. And If not him, sign a decent veteran before signing anymore WRs.

Tenacity: (noun) the quality or fact of being very determined; determination. It was actually a word AZ introduced into the conversation. I’ve been reiterating it to illustrate this is a quality of a player you’d like in a certain position; in this case Safety. It doesn’t guarantee against injury (never said it did) just like being larger does. I shared examples of prior safeties that were shorter or “smaller in stature” and have succeeded as Safeties (strong and/or free). Denmark’s larger size does not solely guarantee his success, or more specifically durability, as a strong safety anymore than does a guy (whoever that is) that might be 4-6 inches shorter.

And the positions of need continue to be ignored. Isn’t this two WR FAs signed in as many days?

Never said he’d be the solution as a rookie. Just that he could be considered. Yes “16 lbs” is more but isn’t that what weight training is about? I mean look no further than pictures of players like Gronkowski or Joe Thomas before and after the NFL to see examples of how it works. Even many “experts” have suggested rookie TE Kmet needs more meat on his bones and he’s ~260. Understand the concern for durability too. Are you familiar with Adam Shaheen and Anthony Miller? Players like Bears former safety Mike Brown (5’10” 205#) had durability issues. It’s the nature of the game unfortunately. Denmark would be a great Safety; if he could learn the position. Just because he’s bigger doesn’t guarantee his durability over anyone else. It’s about tenacity.

Besides the aforementioned 5’10” Earl Thomas, there’s been a few others that have succeeded at Strong Safety...yes and some, not all, did play FS too. Ed Reed (5’11” 205#) 9x Pro Bowl, 1x Super Bowl and HOF inductee 2019 Troy Polomalu (5’10” 207#) 8x Pro Bowl, 2x Super Bowl, Def player of the year 2010 Brian Dawkins (6’0” 210#) 8x Pro Bowl Bob Sanders (5’8” 206#) 2x Pro Bowl and 2007 Def player of the year. Some here have asked for players like Troy Jefferson to join the Bears at SS. Jefferson measures 5’11” 215#. Another one mentioned early on Vonn Bell 5’11” 205#. Tenacity is the key.

‘Tape also shows him making plays on players like Tee Wiggins (Clemson) and faring well during a tilt with LSU’. “Tenacity” sometimes is all one needs to succeed. Here is a snippet of Earl Thomas’ draft report when he came out in 2010: “WEAKNESSES: Thomas is lean and not very tall and may not have the strength to make plays inside the box at the next level. Size will also limit effectiveness against larger inside receivers who can out muscle him for the ball.” Although he was a tad heavier (and an inch shorter) than Vildor coming out, Thomas was also a first round draftee. There’s no doubt he has the ‘tenacity” for the role and has done well with it. Dont get me wrong, I’d like to see Denmark succeed as a SS. He’s a monster but because he used to be a receiver and is learning a whole new role I’m curious how that will all translate. Have we seen him play Safety while with the Bears at all yet? Or even CB for that matter?

It’s pretty stark when you see some of this ‘on paper’. Especially when your talking depth at the RB, ILB and Safety positions. With really only Monty, Cohen and Nall as your vets on the roster you have to think they aren’t done with just adding Pierce and Maxwell. The fact that Nall has yet to crack any measurable significant game time after three (?) years makes me think he could be expendable. I’m personally happy to see Ridley listed as the potential ‘Z’ receiver but not sure he’s ‘there’ yet. Even though a bigger body I still like Wims there; more polished ... right now. Not that we need more TEs but frankly I’m surprised they haven’t looked at Patterson as a possible U or Y TE (whichever the one is that catches more). Maybe due to his value as a ST player is such that they don’t want to use him more than they do? With the loss of JPL and Kwit the depth at ILB fell off pretty quick. Haven’t seen alot from Woods and Iggy to think they are the solution at backup. Someone in this group will need to be ready if Trevathan slows. Someone else suggested the idea of trying little Mack out at ILB? That might not be all that bad of any idea. And safety. Wow...scary...at least in the SS role. Agree that our full time starter (for at least this year) isn’t probably on the team right now. But if he is, he might be located somewhere in the CB depth (Denmark or Vildor). Personally I’m not a believer in Bush... yet. And what a drop off from Jackson in the FS depth to DHC. As with the SS I suspect we’ll see one of those guys currently listed as a CB move over to help there.