Mongo3451

That the "conflict resolution" equivilent of taking your ball and going home.

One more thing. Last year, didn't Tice proclaim that Williams was going to be the elite LT of the NFC North for the next decade?

Nice article. I hope hes right. Counterpoint being, who did he help draft that turned out? OL of course. Two things I like are the size and playing style versus the past.

I agree it had to happen. And loved theW's. Was just using that to counterpoint to point why the sacks slowed. It was not due to any vast improvement of the line. Anyway, how could they not improve from where they started?

I'll bite. Its not the starting unit. Its the whole unit. LT noted how the sacks went down as the season progressed. True only because the offense was noted as dummied down to prevent sacks. We saw the Martz version of the west coast offense. Still the same group of bad OL. Garza is or best lineman and I doubt he would be a solid starter for any team in the league. Tice can not overcome neglect by the GM, no matter how good his rep may be. There's a reason most of these guys were late round picks, undrafted or released. No one needs to be an expert to see the past and not see enough of it changed to effect the future. If we run the ball 60% of the time, it may help.

You can polish it, sprinkle things that smell good on it or call it by another name, but poop is still poop. Our D looks like it could be really good. The skill positions look to be improved as well. We're sitting 20 mil under the cap and have done nothing to upgrade the most glaring deficiency from last season. Oh, and the season before. While I'm positive about the rest of the team. This will be the downfall. Nay sayers about our OL have their place. What's your opinion on how the OL is and/or should look?

Any off season moves made, so far, will be offset by this OL. This is the worst OL I have ever seen. I'm not young either.

Thanks for the correction. And I agree. We still have enough to spend on at least one good OG. That's my sincere hope.

I'm trying to keep my patience here. First, with 2 years left on his contract, I do NOT extend Forte. Give him a nice bonus and resign him in the coming off-season. Now, worry about nothing else but fixing the OL. I'm tired of praising our FO for their frugal nature with the cap. It always leads back to the same old thing. Decent team that sells out the stadium and sell shirts. To be a winner, your QB needs protected. This year we have the money and it needs invested to preserve Cutler.

Gotta agree. Some people think Tice is Jesus with a whistle and bad shorts.

agreed

If you compare Olin to Jeff Saturday. Saturday makes 1.9 mil.

My question is: How much is he worth on the open market? I just don't see anyone giving him 4.5, so why should the Bears? Just seems like a lot of loot for a lower tier starting center.

I've seen Terra post since the old board. He's like the Randy Quaid character in Major League. If you notice, his venom is directed toward football. Yours is toward him. Get over it cause he ain't gonna change for you. I personally like his style cause he gets things going. Speaking of: WTF is NFO???

Yeah, there is really no reason for any agent to publicly support ownership. It's in their best interest and legal obligation to serve the players at all times.

Agree and disagree. The part I agree about is addressing the OL is priority one. The part I disagree with is that we need to grab that guy in round 1. I say you get the one you think will be the biggest difference maker. If you don't get OL in round 1, it is important to go that direction in round 2 and 3 or 4. We also need another CB, that guy should come from 3 or 4. OL and DT are almost 1A and 1B to me.

Fantastic debating guys! You have exceeded my expectations and ability to offer anything more credible to it. To all sides of this, keep up the good work. This debate is as worthy as anything I have seen from the people that get paid to do it.

That sums it up pretty well for me.

My contention is that the piece of the NFL pie that the players get was disclosed to them and negotiated upon. After that, breaking down the NFL into 32 individual pieces and trying to figure out what is feasible is simply impossible to get done. Can you imagine the how complicated that would become? Also, The owners and players are NOT profit sharing. They are revenue sharing. Huge difference. Profit after the CBA is the owners business once the players know what they are getting.

Disagree that is what's needed to get a deal done. I stay on record as saying it's none of the players business what the owners make. I had a guy working for me one time that saw what I made on a job and thought he deserved a bigger cut. He already agreed to do the job at a pre-arranged wage and ended up not working for me after that. They are ALL making tons of money. Players are going to lose. If they don't watch it they will lose big time. Nothing good will come from the owners opening the books. It may even widen the gap.

Great athlete with low productivity sounds like another JA 3-4th rounder. I hate it. That's why our OL sucks because we could draft a starting guard or center almost every year here. I'd much rather see a productive guy from the SEC drafted in the 1st or second if they draft a DT.

With the economy the way it is, the fans are in no mood for anything resembling greed. All sides will lose the longer this goes.

Never said players deserve an equal share to the owners. I believe the pie should be divided the same as it has been. Everyone got fat off that. Why fix what wasn't broken on that subject?

There are some owners that don't reinvest in their teams to keep them competative. Brown in Cincy has substandard workout facilities according to players. Bidwell has been rumored as underspending on winning for a while, but has had some good teams recently. Hell, some have accused the Bears of being cheap, due to scouting, assistant coaches and upfront money. But again, if I own a business, I don't want to be told how to invest MY money. I believe the players deserve a piece, but the owners should solely in charge of how it is divided. Retired players should be entitled to a pension comensurate to their tenure. They should also have a great healthcare plan to take care of the injuries they have incurred over their career. The players should have also taken advantage of the free education they were offered in college. If not, they should have invested part of their contract in an education fund for when their 3 year career is over.(average) I'm kinda split, but leaning toward being on the owners side. Yeah, they are rich, but isn't their ass on the line too? It's their business to manage and reap profit. Show me a player hurting for money and I'll show you an idiot. Here's what I want to see: 16 game season is enough. Players and owners keep the same piece of the pie. Rookie salary cap. Take care of the health of former players. Add 2 playoff teams per conference. No more byes in the playoffs. Move the Superbowl to Saturday, so all can enjoy the parties without being unproductive the next day. Play ball!

They went 14-2 last year. They'll probably repeat that this year. I looked at their roster and out of the 74 players on their roster 36 had 1, 2 or 3 years experience(49%). We are 22 of 65 for 34%. They are younger and will continue to get younger while we will probably go in the other direction for a year or two before an upswing in youth. I'm not going to crack their stones at all for what they are doing.