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Not really any threads here to just address the draft over all, so here we are. Been watching a lot of edge tape and different football guys opinions on DE players. Dallas Turner is rightfully the top prospect by most people.. He has such great upside. Latu has a higher floor to contribute right away but Turner is long term . Latu also some medical concerns. I liked Jared Verse but after watching tape and opinions, he doesn't have the bend or flexibility to be a 10+ sack man regularly. To give credit AZ54 already mentioned that. Latu can contribute the most in his first year but not quite the athlete Turner is. Greg Gabriel rated them Turner- Chop Robinson- Latu- Verse as who will be the best long term . Chop isn't 21 yet but still needs time to develop but has great upside. Several have said he has the right motor and attitude to succeed in the NFL. A bust potential also. A couple interesting names of later rated ends are Jonah Ellis from Utah and Bralen Trice . Ellis had an injury later in the season and then they shut him down. He still had 13 sacks and 41 pressures. Both should be 2nd round picks. I didn't check it out but someone said Trice had 8 sacks and 67 pressures last year. That 6 pressures a game . Anyone have information on any of edge they like?

Everyone knows how much I liked Justin , I am starting to buy into Caleb with the same kind of intensity. If your not sold yet , this may push you in that direction. WATCH THE VIDEO its short

That's been cleared up for over a year now.

Correct, Poles doesn't text me anymore.

Braxton Jones isn't going to be replaced. Because we are in the position to draft a top 10 T doesn't mean we will go that way. (Possible but not probable) Not all 22 starters are going to be high picks, the system doesn't allow you the time to build a roster of only top 50 picks. Our 22 starters I'm including a # 1 picked QB. 10 top 50 picks 9 later round picks 3 UDFAs

I think he's here until Poles finds someone that contributes more. Without more picks , probably not this year. Waldron gave Travis Homer plays in 2022 , 30 combined.

We have enough weapons for a QB 75 still should get us decent talent.. With Allen probably being a one and done, it would make sense to have his replacement in place. If top 3 are gone, they will wait to get one .

I wonder if Waldron can find ways to use Velus instead of just him being cut. He has something you can't train for, speed.

What I like about him, he has no problem talking to the press and he's not a bullshitter. He doesn't mince words, just leaves you hanging on interpretation of what he said but has a down to earth trait. Some of our GMs seem to talk over peoples heads, because they thought they were smarter than everyone. He's the kind of guy you have a beer with instead of a 100 bottle of wine.

I don't think Waldron unleashes him to the NFL, I think it's small footsteps. If he can refrain from hero ball and stay within the offense early, he could have a highly productive year. The unknown is his ego and how that effects his play. His talent is not his kryptonite, it's the mental aspect of his game. Poles is going to take him so we have to ride the storm out, the other side is a SB entry. I doubt that happens in his first year but we have built the team to all give us a chance to win some playoff games. I'm an optimist so maybe I'm over the end of my skis. But I always live there no matter what players are involved.

Seen where Carolina along with NE and Washington are predicted to have the worst records next year. Carolina could give a top 35 pick next year because of the 2023 trade that gets us their second pick. The 2023 trade by Poles was an amazing amount of players that still has a pay day. Wright- Stevenson, D J Moore- Caleb Williams and top 35 pick.

Every teams board are different but the top 15 are probably pretty consistent but maybe not in the same order. As it plays out , 5 QBs may be taken in the top 15, has to leave us plenty to pick from if we only trade back in that range. An extra 3 will get us a rotational DL or future OL starter but is depth this year. At 9 we will get the best D player on the board. It has to be an DL pick. ( Unless top 3 WR is there.)

I was looking at FA edge players still available. Ranked 15 the best FA still available was Mike Danna/ KC, he had 44 Ts and 8 sacks last year. Poles was still in KC when they drafted him. . Tried to find some film on him,not much out there. Might be a get if we don't draft one high.

I was the biggest Fields fan on here ( he was still a Bear) , but when he's gone, don't see reasons to debate that anymore. Fields will show his worth in Pittsburgh, at this point he's not even starting, so that will be a point of conversation later next year. There's no reason to think Caleb can't be what people say but he still has to prove that. I'm all in on hoping that happens because Poles is going to pick him.

You put it correctly. I have watched some people say he could set records for a rookie. That would exceed what Stroud did last year. He has to change his wildcat mentality and play within the offense he's given. If he can settle down on his ego and keep team in mind , he can do that. He's young and has a lot of adjusting to do but is capable of high projections. As far as Justin goes, people keep saying he can't do certain things, which is not true. It was his consistency that was the problem. When he threw for 16 straight completions, it wasn't just luck. When throwing to DJ and Kmet , he had a high QB rating . He had plenty of good moments, it just didn't over come his down side. Had Carolina not gave us a top 3 pick, we would be having a different conversation right now. I predict he will end up being the starter in Pittsburgh, not day one but Tomlin will figure out how to have him be effective. I've never said he's a top 5 QB but he can reach top 10 heights. In his last 7 games, he was ranked 12 th. ( small sample size) he's not here any more so to still argue over his good or bad is pointless. He will prove his worth.

All of those could be true but history says Poles ain't going to overpay on value. It's subject to change but if we're a losing team this year, does that affect Allen wanting to play somewhere else? If they're not all in on winning, we may not have a winning record.

I will say taking Caleb buys more time on winning but the K Allen trade pretty well sold me on win now. He is likely a one and done. I don't think Poles pays him 20+ for a couple year extension at his age. Next year tags should be around 25 and 22.5 mil for WRs according to OTC. So it's very possible we could have him one more year. A rookie QB is an unknown as far as quality of play, most aren't good. Stroud last year rarely happens. I think that's why he took so long to decide on Fields because he knew he could win with him. But the #1 pick of a potential franchise QB and the meter started on Justin, he had to do it. The unknown factor we don't usually figure in the equation is the progress of current young players. Pickens and Dexter should be much better. Does the new DL coach actually get anything out of Robinson? Walker is a perfect 3 rd edge but we need that # 2 and our second pick is going to give it to us. Now I also said if any of the top 3 WRs are there, we have to take them but I don't think they will be. I think Turner is going to be a good player but Verse is a better scheme fit for Flus, plays the run well , can set the edge better plus Turner will be the first D player taken and may be before we pick. I don't see Poles trading up with so little draft capital. Latu may be the best of the lot but injury history gets in the way.

I would love it to . if you move back 10 spots there's a chance at maybe getting a second but that kind of haul may not be realistic. History says no. Here's a podcast that did some research into trade backs from around our spot, and that kind just isn't there. I'm not sure Verse makes it to 19. I think we do all of these mock drafts and get all excited to it being possible. Poles made an impossible return last year but that is not normal.

The sad part is they all could end up being good QBs but some may get thrown in to action to early, get bad coaching or are on a weak team and don't get to develop properly. We will see which teams may the right decisions.

I think pressure will be on Poles and Flus to win in the third year of a rebuild. What puts us in the best situation to win now? I think it's a 98% chance Williams is our first pick. He has the highest floor and highest ceiling IMO. Not to say some of QBs won't be successful. I think the next most unknown QB prospect is McCarthy. He played on a team that won with the running game and defense which doesn't allow his stats to look great. I think he's the unknown QB in the draft. Harbaugh thinks he's the best QB in the draft. I think if we trade down he would be what Poles would do it for. IMO They all have some questions but that is what I think Poles options are in front of him. At 9 I don't think a OT is his first priority even though it would be a upgrade. Poles flagship pick was getting a starting LT starting for two years at LT in the fifth. He's rating the last two years is have been 15th to 19th. With progress he could be top 12. I think a WR or Edge would be more important for winning now. So if the one of the top 3 WR drops that is probably the choice he makes. He makes the transition of Caleb from college to pro's easier. If not I think he trades down just enough to get one of the top 4 edge players in the draft. No lower than 15 probably gets that done. If he goes lower he may be getting a DT (there draft value) or a top 5 WR. Any trade down to up to 15 is only going to get a 3rd and maybe a 5th or 6 th. If we go 10 back that could net us a 2 nd but take us out of our blue chip players. Poles has did very well in the second so I would say , where he trades down, he will be bring us good players. A Locked on Bears podcast did a history of those types of trade downs that give me those values. So for what is our options , keep our picks that gives us 4 picks. trade back from 9 , still draft Verse or Latu, and get an extra 3 and 5. For an example: trade back with Las Vegas and get 13,77, and 148. 1) Williams. Used GBND Report for reference. 13) Jared Verse 75) Johnny Wilson - Brenden Rice - Tez Walker 77) Sedric Van Pran/ C 122) Brandon Coleman G/T 148) Eric Watts DE ( 6-6 275, 4.67 speed) If we stay pat with picks 1) Williams 9) Dallas Turner 75) same as above choices at WR 122) Beaux Limmer/ C So what puts us in the best position to win now?

It's more of how to adapt yo the NFL, what to expect, how to deal with conflict, not not necessarily the passing game. On saying that, I don't think they paying money to Ryan when they're trying to get Caleb on the field as quickly as possible. Ideally he would sit for half or the full season. If a generational QB can't find success early, probably means he's not all that.

I think Bagent might be the wildcard. Be able to hold the spot down until Caleb is ready.

In the third they will still be a few good gets at WR, whether Poles can identity it remains to be seen. After the top 4 edge it falls off quickly. Does the new coaches lift the play of Tyler Scott and Colin Johnson? Does the new DL coaches help the young players enough to get major contributions? Pickens, Dexter, Cowart, Jacob Martin , D Robinson, Michael Dwumfour, Daniel Hardy, Khalid Kareem? Do we ever get a lift from a lower roster spot ? They've already on the team and Hicks emerged from a nobody to making the pro bowl when he was here.

Plus if they add an edge at 9 , Walker can take snaps inside.

1. Bears Caleb Williams 2 Washington Jayden Daniels 3 NE JJ McCarthy 4 AZ trade with Vikings who take Drake Maye 5 SD MHJ 6 Giants Malek Nabers 7 Titans Joe Alt 8 Atl Dallas Turner 9 Bears trade with Denver , they take Bo Nix 10 Jets Taliese Fuage 11 AZ Rome Odunze 12 Bears Jared Verse 13 Las Vegas Michael Penix 14 NO Olu Fashanu 15 Indy Brock Bowers