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When the season ends, we will see the evaluation process. If he is Joe Burrows, i want Poles to take him, he will decide that. I think Maye or Daniels could be it to, just dont know. Poles will do everything to find out. he may not think any of them are special and bring back Fields and draft Nix or Penix. Everything is on the table.

Anyway you want to show it we got better in year 2 of a 4 year plan. Wasn't that Poles plan to begin with. Flus ain't going anywhere.

I read where his average time at holding the ball before he throws is 3.4 seconds, isn't that what people complain about with Justin. He plays wildcard a lot, same as Justin. I will keep close tabs on his evaluation process. There has to be a reason so many people like him. It can't be just based on stats. If he turns into Joe Burrows, the team will buy in quickly. They can see what fans see besides they still get paid whoever the QB is.

There is only so many jobs in the NFL, you may not get a top choice but those guys are in line for HC jobs anyway. That's not going to be a problem. I'm sure Poles and even Warren will have input in to the new hire it won't be Flus choice by himself. Getsy is stuck on systems, just find one that is flexible. Maybe a college coach ? It doesn't have to be from a NFL team.

That's just bears media thinking their smarter than everyone else. It's totally on the table that they could be gone but Flus was Poles pick as coach. Year 2 in a 4 year rebuild 3-14 , then 7-8 wins is progress. No one but me thought we could win 10 games, yet with a few plays back, we could have 9 wins right now. Poles has no reason to change his 4_year plan because of outside noise. Now Fields is 50-50 on being here for obvious reasons. It all comes down to his QB evaluation of rookie QBs.

Poles is always thinking about the cap when making decisions and wants to build thru the draft. Odds of giving up what it would take to get Hebert would be to high.

With the ability if Kmet and Moore you would think Getsy would target them all the time. Can't figure out his game planning.

Stats tell a story but anyone can beat anyone. It happens all the time. We need to run the ball well and be ahead on TOs and we will win the game. Hopefully Kmet and Moore play.

The last two choices for sure because they have a history of designing an offense around the strenghs of a player over systems. Even if Fields is gone, you need adaptabity.

The wrong answer for Poles will be discussed after we see one year from now what choice he made and how well that person did.

I am just now trying to evauluate Williams and see what all the hype is about.

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That's an interesting article, thanks for bringing it to my attention. Intangables matter too.

Im in to the evaluate Williams mode now, but do not discount anything you said.

Adam is the stats guy on here. I found this but pretend Adam posted it. Just another piece of information to form opinions about who you like.

Every thing you stated is true. I think if we could add a center and another edge player, this team takes a giant step forward. He will add another weapon, A FS, this off-season, the top 2 picks and the top acquisition in free agency will fill 3 of those spots. It's going to be an interesting off-season.

I like the way you give argument on both sides of the Fields conversation. I posted a thread on my QB opinions, and I'm not going to bounce back and forth every week after another game. Until I get more information, I'm interested in Caleb Williams. I love Justin Fields but compared the situation to playing cards. Justin is 2 pair. You can win some hands with that but I will play for the full house. Next year, 10 wins with Justin, probably not the same with Williams but yr 2 may bring us a SB contention. Justin is not Lamar Jackson but he can get close to that level with the right offense. If Poles drafts Williams or who he chooses as a better QB, I'm all in. If he retains Fields, I'm all in on that to. I don't have to condemn one or the other because it's not about being right it's supporting what Poles does , what's best for the future of the Bears. I can root for us to win and still understand that losing would give us a better draft pick. We were lucky to get the first pick last year, thank you Lovie, if we get the #1 pick this year, luck will be involved because it has nothing to do with how many games we win. We are 4-2 in our last 6 games but as I listen to the radio this morning, I couldn't tell by the conversation that we won. If we end up with MHJ or Bowers and get another top 5 pick next year , that would be awesome. The situation still exists that Justin stays and we still get another QB. That may be the best option.

With all that you said, the top raterd teams in the National conference have a 7th rounder, 2nd rounder, 4th rounder and a first round QB that rejected by his first team leading thier teams. Something the good teams have in common are good rosters and good coaches. We arent there yet, it appears that a good roster and good coach is the common denominator, not a 1st round QB.

The Bears absolutely are upside down with the refs. Are all teams like that or do we just notice because we watch it more?

TE is a difficult position to excel at early. A few exceptions to the rule but usually they need time to develop. We have two legitiment weapons now, need one more and our offense will be much more consistent. Every time we try the run the ball, we excel at that but Getsy just isnt good at play calling.

Lawrence was heralded as ( the guy), isn't there yet. Some players need more time to develop, need a better coach, need better roster around him.

Carolina may win one but 2 is very unlikely.

You're entitled to your opinion, but the statement doesn't change. Winning teams value winning, I don't think Flus is leaving so the team and him are going to have a meeting and say we should lose more games so we can get a higher pick. Poles may think that but would never say it. You're right culture will change with a new OC , maybe a new QB but the other players could give a crap what fans think. You said it yourself, players ain't going to quit, their playing in the game.

Flus was hired by Poles, the outside noise is get a new coach but nothing has come from inside with that tone. Flus has shown growth with the defense but the offense still has a lot to be desired. The offense is Gesty's baby and he will be gone. Flus is not perfect but he's new to the job and has the team vitialized with a long losing streak. The loses are bad but Poles won't hold Flus responsible for his first season, he gutted the roster. In the last 6 games we are 4 and 2 . In a coaching world that's progress. Stability is never established by constantly making changes. With a new QB, and new OC, the winning will get more consistent. IF we win out 8-9 that's a huge turn around. Even 7-10 is up tick. So Flus will be back.IMO

That's fair, his only 2 SBs were in his first 4 yrs. I like he has never had a losing season, 10 of 16 seasons in the playoffs. No bullshit kind of coach, he got rid of Chase Claypool. Then who that can be acquired?