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Agree with everything. Also remember the top of the WR group in the draft is not rated high. There may be a few that end up being good but there's no Waddle or Jamar Chases in this draft. Claypool will easily make more of a contribution than any rookie would have. I think whether we draft a center or not, we will be ok at center. Whitehair, Patrick and Kramer are much better than what we had last year. You can speak about all the help you get for Fields but Field's second year in this scheme will be leaps and bounds better than last year. Don't discount how well the running game will be that keep defenses honest in the passing game. The defense has a way to go but the offense is 90% there.

If he drops, Jalen Carter is the prize as a 3 T. Other options: Lucas Van Ness Calijah Kancey Bryan Bresee. Watch a lot of tape , he consistently gets in the backfield A Adebawore Keion White Tuli Tuipulotu Keeanu Benson. Not perfect but would give you more than Justin Jones Zach Harrison has the size and speed to do it, not the fit Zach Pickens more of a rotational guy but could fill in Isaiah McGuire. More of a rotational guy not idea Byron Young/Ala. Could be a sleeper Moro Ojomo could be a sleeper

For possible trade back, the top WR will be available The top OL could be available B Robinson could be the prize Levis could be there To get the most value out of a trade back, someone needs to want a player. 10 Philly-- DL or Robinson? 11 Titans--Levis, top WR , OL 12 Houston--Robinson, top WR 13 Jets OL, Edge 14 NE-- OL, Levis, Robinson, top WR 15 GB--OL, WR, Edge 16 Wash--Robinson, Levis, 17 Pitt-- OL, Defense WR 18 Lions--TE, CB 19 TB--Robinson, Levis, Edge Teams with extra picks in the first 3 rounds Lions, Houston,Jets, Pitt, Philly Who jumps up to take a high end player? It has to be for a QB or A player for a team ready to contend.

It goes like this: if Carter is there at 9 , they take him , the highest rated player in this draft. It looks like a risk to us because we don't have all the information. But I think they will know the work ethic and mental issues aren't strong enough to say no. 1B will Anderson won't be there. I have read everything I could find on Wilson and the majority of experts don't see a health problem going forward. He's supposed to work out in one week. If Wilson drops to 9 and no Carter, I think it's a no brainer. The third option will be to trade back. I think they take their highest rated player DL or OL on their board. In the teens, ( Bruglers big board). Lucas Van Ness, Nolan Smith, Paris Johnson Jr, Broderick Jones, Myles Murphy, all fall in that range. Just depends how they rated them. According to Brugler, Van Ness and and Paris are the highest rated. I threw Nolan Smith in there. He doesn't fit our scheme but read some scouts say if he wasn't injured this year, he would be rated higher than Anderson, which is crazy. A situational pass rusher doing 12-14 sacks a year? Would we do that?

What I like about Poles, he doesn't over pay for a player because of need. He had a value on McG but didn't want to spend 17/5 on a very average RT. He brings in young players that could be part of the core if they work out. Even thou he had a lot of money to spend, he was patient to get his value. The WR room was trash last year, he actually fixed it with a mediocre free agent class and no sure things in the draft class. I think he will get the OL fixed thru the draft and the second phase of free agency.

Poles has to try to balance of filling every need he has. How much better are the first tier than the second tier? I think all 32 teams have different value boards on players. Paris Johnson Jr, Peter Skoronski, Broderick Jones in first tier ( IMO ) Poles may have the same opinion or just because they are the highest rated players at a position, may not be sure bets to him or different values. He may have Broderick Jones rated the highest OL. He may have Darren Wright rated in that group. 2 nd tier. Darrell Wright, Anton Harrison, Dawand Jones, Matthew Bergeron, Cody Mauch, Jaelyn Duncan, Blake Freeland He mat have Paris or Brodrick rated at 8.9 and Wright at 8.5 , thinking all could start. If he rates Cody at 8.4 Blake as a 8.3. My point if he thinks he can get one or two of them at 53 instead of with the 9 th pick, does he pull the trigger with a higher rated DL instead? He could move up with the 61 and 64 as part of a trade up if he has to. We just don't know how he has them rated. My take: moves back in the teens and takes Broderick Jones, and gets extra pick or picks to maneuver to get a DL he might want. I have read a lot about Blake Freeland and he seems like the perfect pick that Poles would fall in love with that would be gettable in the second round. 37" vertical jump at 6'8" 302 lbs. Was a TE than can bend and move .Even if he has to be developed, he can always give him help with scheme, RB chip or with a TE. If he sees a high ceiling like some of the first tier, I can see him do that.

No way any of these scenarios actually happens.

We have to expand the offense to feed 3 productive WRs, 2 TEs and RBs, V Jones . You bring in a rookie hat will just tip over the apple cart. This off season will allow our existing players time to acclimate to Justin Fields. You draft JSN, this year it will be bad value as the 4 th WR . you need 9 th pick to start.

I totally thinks he trades back 3-10 spots, unless Carter or Wilson drop to 9. Anywhere from an extra early 2 nd or 3 rd round. Gives us an extra 40 to 64 pick. If we drop 10 spots (TB) , in that range Kancey or Warren comes into play. Maybe Lucas Van Ness is still around. Then 4_more picks in top 64 players. We fill every hole we have left with even a CB throw in the mix. Using Dane Buglers top 100 19- Warren- RT 50-J M Schmitz- OC 53-Tuli Tuipulotu- edge 61-A Adwbawore-3T 64-Julius Brents- CB

Obviously we could use upgrades, IMO, RT and DT are the spots we fill that is the floor of being able to get by with. Close third is Edge. With 4 top 64 picks, I think we fill all all neediest spots. I think another CB will be brought in but I think we can get by with current personnel.

I find it interesting that a player that didn't play much last year is getting such high acclaim. Isn't there some injury questions? Especially top 10. I don't think he goes top15.

It's not Headline material but does help the team get better. Plus Green and Walker are versatile position players. Remember that on draft day. Deon White Lucas Van Ness Tuli Tuipulotu

Its upgrades the rotational players. Still need a stud Edge and DT. Draft time will fix that.

We acquired two WRs this season by trade. Why go after Moore instead of getting another first round pick thrown into the deal, if you were going to draft a possible stud at 9? That's because their not using that pick on a WR. We don't run 4 WR sets very often. So one of the good assets is going to be a backup. That was never his intention. He's not drafting a WR at 9.

Other than draft one stud on the DL, I wouldn't have any problem is all his 4 th round and higher were all OL picks. 4 OL 1 DL 2 OTs, 1 OG, and 1 OC. Of course to get the stud on DL it would have to be the first pick. Lucas Van Ness Cody Mauch Blake Freeland Joe Tippmann Wanya Morris That's how important I think the OL is this year. Obviously he will have to hit free agency again with Poona Ford Yannick Ngakoue

I don't think if we take Skronoski with the 9th pick is a bad idea. Put him at RT this year and figure it out next year. As for right now Jenkins and Davis are our plum players on the OL. But there could be lingering Questions about Jenkins health issues. So Skon could be moved there if health injuries continue for Jenkins. Try to fix it and readdress it next year. ,You can't plan injuries.

I think that is what Poles is doing. He valued McG at a certain value ,over paying for a very average RT is not good long term for a franchise. Its hard for me to be highly critical 2 months into his second season on the job. Tell me what you would had did different is first year?

Overall I agree with you, best players should be playing. Both of those projected players we would be lucky to get, and are better than Jones, maybe. I think the Jones pick is the signature move Poles will be looked back on the beginning of him being a good GM. I think he lets the Jones experiment go one more year then will do what's right to correct it if he needs to. What ever OT he brings in will play RT this year and then move to LT next if needed. I think people let their ego get in the way sometimes but Jones was a successful move so far. It still has a year to prove itself. If I remember he was ranked the 19th best OT this year by PFF. Not bad for a 5th round pick. He has a Long way to go but the arrow is pointing up.

Actually they did try to fix the OL right out from the start. This new regime isn't responsible for the wasted first year under Pace. Poles offered more money to both Brian Allen and the Rams LT ( can't remember his name) they both stayed with the SB champs.. Then they tried to get Ryan Bates and that failed. To say they didn't do enough is correct but they did try. They brought in new WRs but none of them were successful. My point is they tried to help the offense in his first year, but it didn't work out. Poles came in having to evaluate what was already here , Fields also. Jenkins, Borom, there wasn't A lot of high level starters already in place. In the draft he took BPA and is going to use that theory going forward. Good GMs do that. No way he thought we could be successful in one year. He is roster building with 3 years in mind.

My point was I don't think Poles is doing that, I would love to get PJJ and Mauch in this draft. Not draft 3 OL in your first 4 picks. If you're a GM and you got a 5th round pick that played way above expectations, he ain't throwing that move away in his second year. He may not be the LT but he's starting one of those spots. Say that happens, he would try Mauch at center spot in that scenario. None of these OTs this year are considered blue chip pro Bowl types anyway. Maybe above average 10 year starters which would still be great draft picks. Skronoski is a considered a blue chip prospect but not as a OT.

I don't see any way we draft OL with 3 out of our first 4 picks. Cody Mauch can play OC. We have two above average OGs now and Braxton Jones is one of our tackles. An OT, Edge, DT, maybe CB, maybe RB, maybe another DL. I think pick 103 will land us a OC. Stromberg, O O, are in that range.

Bijan Robinson could be in play there for someone needing a RB.

Late first round?

I would say that 2 visits means they are thinking about it and want to get more info to solidify that decision. If he had a bad attitude or bad work ethics they wouldn't bother with another visit.

How many and who are your sure things in this draft? ( be potential pro Bowl type players) not QBs Anderson--Carter-- Skoronski--Robinson--Weatherspoon Tier 1 Murphy--Wilson--Gonzalez--JSN Tier 2. ( very close but ?) If Poles goes BPA , Is he going to pick JSN, Nick Weatherspoon or Bijan Robinson? I don't think Skoronski will play OT in the NFL I'm totally against Robinson or JSN because we have added assets in those positions groups but they may be BPA at 9. Poles stated he will not get all positions upgraded his year so does he go true BPA at 9. Foreman is on a one year deal, and Claypool may be gone after this year. Weatherspoon will put us in the position to not have to sign JJ to a big contract. You could make the case for Skoronski and play him at OT for this year or they move Jenkins to RT. The more I read the more I think 9 may not be in the trenches.