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If no one trades for him, he's a UFA tis year. We are not playing for a playoff spot, so why do it now?

The biggest problem with that rumor, besides draft capital, he wants to get paid.

Agree, best just to say they are getting better and hope for some luck along the way. If we win 2 of the next 3 , that's a good start to us being a better team.

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Mack has 7 sacks but 6 were in one game. 1 in 5 games isnt star like. They have given up tons of points and have a losing record. Something doesnt add up.

I'll have to see where it came from, maybe pro football reference.

Their going to score points, we just have to keep up? Play action and pounding the ball will do us well. If we don't turn the ball over, we have a chance to win this game.

I agree , we have had a lot of losing but we are trending the other way now. How will all of this be perceived if we win 8-9 games and get good QB play out of our QBs. People always want change but there is something said for establishing stability for a franchise. Always changing everything every 3-4 years is not good.

Poles isnt going to overpay anyone. I think he has already showed he fixes values and doesnt go over that. Mooney is capable of much better play and probably be gotten on a deal because of a lack of production this year. JJ doesnt deserve top money but just below that. 3 ints in 4 yrs aint getting you top 10 money. OTC player value for Billings is 5.6 mil so that wouldnt be a big contract.

Everybody does realize that if we win more games than we lose, Flus probably saves his job and that means our QB play is above average and we dont make any changes. As much as losing has created a narrative, so will winning. How many wins will save Flus job? 5 and 5 the rest of the year?

I get we still are losers and then people want to trade young players that could be part of the core. Poles will have to start winning next year so sign Billings, JJ, and Mooney and build the core up. Getting late round picks for core players is stupid, its time to start rolling forward and forget the losing streak. Once our OL is back from injuries, it will be one of strength instead of a problem. I suspect Whitehair sits and Jenkins and Davis will be the starters. They are more physical beasts. Having Carter and Whitehir as backups is what good depth looks like. We are a swing OT away from a top 10 OL. Pound the ball, win the takeover game and we are going to win more games than we lose.

It would be great if he turned into our franchise QB going forward from a cap space point of view, he is our cheapest option. If he plays well for a few more games and Fields comes back and plays well the rest of the year, that would be great for the team. I want everyone to be successful. That also means we probably win several more games that would lower our pick in the draft. The whole point in rebuilding the roster and at some point they have to look to wins as a measuring stick. Our defense is getting healthy and better. We are starting to create an identity on offense , running the ball. I see young players getting better. I see the 2nd and 7th leading tacklers in the league starting to make an impact on defense. Since Flus took over the defense it has gotten better even with many injuries on the back end. We are 4th in the league in rushing and that is w/o Fields big input. We are 8th in the league in run defense which is great considering last at it last year. We have won 2 out of 3 games and with a few plays different, we could be talking about winning 4 in a row. We have an easy schedule overall, laden with winnable games. We have did this with our top 2 running backs out and a make shift defensive backfield. We are not ready for prime time but we are trending in the right direction.

The rest of the year has to play out and the picture will be clearer. I was thinking of someone like a JJ McCarthy in the 3 rd but not sure how the draft positioning plays out. We don't know what Poles will like in a QB. He may fall in love with Williams and options will be gone. The key is it has to play out. I'm just not sure it's as simple as Fields or Williams.

The point I was trying to make is high picked QBs rarely work out but until the season is over and I watch tape and read opinions on the top 2 QBs, Im going to wait on all the excitement of Luck and Lawrence lookalikes. Still have more tape to make for them to prove that.

Poles has several ways to go and I think they all could end up having been good choices. Keep Fields and Bagent, one of them ends up good. Draft blue chip players You trade Fields at the draft, get a #1, draft a QB and draft some blue chip players. Trade Fields at the draft, draft a prospect not in the first round. Go with Bagent and a prospect. Use your 3 first round picks on blue chip players. If the QB situation doesnt pan out , grab one in 2025. Figuring Poles makes some trades and has a couple firsts in 2025.

Think of the Bears talk if we trade him (no way your getting a #1 right now) and he ends up balling out. Then we draft a generational QB that turns into Zach Wilson or Trey Lance. Then Bagent has a Mac Jones type of career. Everyone gets fired.

I think Bagent gets 2 more games and then you get evaluate Fields 8 more games. Fields has higher upside if he succeeds plus Bagent isnt going anywhere. You have to see if Fields can get better.

Depends if someone makes an offer you cant refuse. BUT he's injured right now. Getting a 3rd or lower for him wont be worth it.

I think more realistically would be to trade Justin during the draft, more likely to have more value.

Like or dislike Fields , there is merit on both sides of that argument but one game on Bagent just isn't enough of tape to judge. The best case scenario is Bagent looks good in a win and then Justin balls out the rest of the season. Then trade Justin for a 1 st rounder and load the team with blue chip players and roll with Bagent next year and draft a QB prospect in mid rounds. You will still have a few first round picks in 2025 if Bagent doesn't work out.

I think if he wasn't hurt and was able to the play the 2 games well, A high pick was up for discussion but then we might be thinking about keeping him. It would have to be a team that could make the playoffs in need of a QB. Jets? SF? Prudy hasn't been looking good lately and they have a coach that could do a offense to suit Fields. Washington, with reasons you stated, and NE. Belichick has the ego to think he could turn Fields around and the need. The only way you get a #1 is if two teams run up the cost. The big stumbling block is he has to get paid in 2025 and the need to win now. If you're going to get a Chase Young back , I doubt they offer a # 1 back also. Would the new owner want make a splash? Maybe

A couple of years ago i would have loved to have Sean Payton, this year doesnt say much for his legacy. Hopefully Poles and Warren figure out the best Coach to bring in. Does anyone think Flus would be fired and have the character to accept the DC job here? I think he is good at that.

The trend is he will be gone but he can change that trend if he balls out the rest of the way.(highly doubtful) He does have some talent, his 2 good games this year looked promising but he has to continue that. The potential of taking a good QB and since we will win some games it has to be Panthers playing bad. That is out of our control. I believe some of his bad can be contributed to bad play calling and a hurt OL. A great QB should overcome that. What if he's just okay? Lot of just okay QBs in the NFL. Cousins, Goff, Prescott, Carr, Geno Smith, and Stafford. Some of them have won in spite of their talent. I think Poles will evaluate the situation and make the right decision.

Im all in if there was a Andrew Luck clone in the draft but that has not proven to be the case yet. Some experts calling (Williams or Maye) being generational QBs doesnt mean its true. When Mahomes came out, I dont remember any experts calling him generational. He got drafted by a good coach with a good team and sat for a year to learn. He became a great QB. If he was drafted by the Bears at the time, he would never be as good as he is right now. Lots of things have to be in place for a QB to achieve greatness but it also includes good coaching and development. I dont think the right coach is here yet. I think maybe Poles creating magic by trading our high pick and building the team first then maybe drafting a JJ MaCarthy and develop him for a yr. i think lots of choices on the table and maybe sticking with Fields with Bagent backing him up may be the best choice but that still remains to be seen. Adding MHJ, a LT, Bowers, Verse or Turner may be better for our future. By the end of the year the picture may be more clear.