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The point is, he does have a special skill set, you notice most people disagree with you, but it is best to make these statements now because when the season starts, you will be silenced by the results. He is not a league leading RB type, Howard is the best RB on the team, but he is a special player that will be used as a weapon in Nagy's offense. His size limits his being used as a 3 down back but on a limited basis, he will preform well. Come back to this subject after the 5 or 6th game so we can see you try to defend your opinion.

May I suggest you watch game film. If you use stats to compare all players then that would mean that they all would have the same results or play the same. Take a moment and watch film on all the players you suggest are better. You will notice a difference, football intelligence can not be measured in stats. He is a special player, this year you will notice a offense that uses his talent much differently.

What makes him unique is his short area quickness, not all stats prove how a person plays. He put on 10lbs this winter and his stength for a small guy is amazing. You do not have to believe anything I say, but the proof will be in his use in our offense. You can compare Gabriel because of his speed and size but is not even close in strength.

actually Cohen in Nagy's offense is going to be used more and a lot more productive. There is no one on the roster that has a similar skill set.

I was being sarcastic because everybody has seemed to jump on his bandwagon over his highlight film. He looks like he might be a player than can make the roster, but someone suggested(not AZ) that in one year we trade Howard as Nall takes over the main carrier role. I hope he does very well and makes it on the roster and takes over the spot Burton has. Has more player ability at the FB spot. He wasn't drafted, does not have great speed, didn't even have the lead role on his college team, just trying to temper my enthusiasm.

I think we need to take a step back before we put him in the hall of fame. He went undrafted and looks like a player on tape but training camp will answer a lot of questions.

He looks good in his highlight films but I think everybody does. l like him but more as a power runner. I think the only way he sticks if he can take over the fullback position. That would be predicated on him being a good blocker of which I do not know. He could make the practice squad easily.

Also we do not know what they think of the safety depth of the Ss we have on the roster. D. Hall, Houston-Carson, and Deon Bush. They may see one or all are ready to take a step forward. We assume they do not matter, but they may be in play.

I think if HH deems him the OC of the future they will start him there right now and put up with the shortcomings of a rookie. They did that with Whitehair and excelled. I think they make their decision and stick with it even with rookie learning pains. If he has a good NT, they will just give him help in those situations. Anyway they line it up, it will be the best situation. The key will be the continued health of Long but this year we have available Kush and Morgan but do not forget Watford. I think Kush ends up being the backup at OC also so we do not have shifting around this year in the middle. Massie and Leno have played above average even though the perception is they have been bad. The key is they have also been very healthy. Massie will need to be replaced next year but we also should consider he plays better under HH and they keep him around a few more years as we develop a rookie drafted next year. He is still only 28. The one thing we do not know is how much better our existing players play better with the addition of HH. If they all take one step forward, it will make for a very good OL even with the same OTs. The one thing we still need is a swing OT for depth, of which we can still find with later cuts by other teams in the training camp process.

I think with more speed at ILB with Smith and later with Iggy that they will figure in the pass rush. Iggy is a Smith light and could eventually be as productive. The more I read about both of them the more you think they could be huge for the defense. I think we are in a 4-2-5 a lot. If anyone goes down, it will be lost time for Floyd or Trevanthan . If we have more speed in LBers it will be huge for our defense to defend and get a pass rush out of the front 4. With , Hicks-Goldman-(Bullard-RHH)-Floyd or Lynch. I think the overall defense gets better. Also we have to look at the defense being better by playing together for another year. If we have many starters out with injury at the same time again, it will affect the overall result but with better depth, it should help.

I was listening to a podcast and heard that HH made the statement that Daniels is the best center prospect he has ever seen. So I would say that means , Whitehair will be the LG.

Cliff Avril just got released from Sea. Injured last year, but if his health checks out, at 30 could give a prove it contract and add another body to the mix.

I am a Pace supporter but he has made mistakes along the way. i think he is learning on the run. The first year he did not have his people in place in time to draft, since then he is getting better every year. He has hit a few and screwed the pouch on many but he signs them to short term deals that he can get out of the next year if he doesnt work out. Also the last two years , we have led the league in players going on IR. I cant really blame him for the lack of talent on the field because their in the whirlpool tank. It is always easy to judge a draft after it has failed, but picking the hits and misses before tells the true story of how smart you may be at player evaluation. If he doesnt have a history of injuries in college, becoming injured in the pros, is not really on the GM. He finally got his coach brought in a ton of good coaches. He is building the type of personal department that lasts for a decade with teams. This is the year it starts to show. Also the team was in terrible condition when he took over as far as personal. Also Fox threw his two cents in all the time that affected his job.

The problem is to have draft value, it depends on where you draft him. MIke McG in the second , you would be considered very smart. I hope he does well, but I think this will be the last time we pick that low for quite awhile and they wanted a blue chip playmaker. Mike McG would have started this year as an upgrade over Massie, but he will take a few years to get stronger and learn the NFL. I think they took a play maker in Smith that will be the leader of our D for years to come will have many pro bowls and will make everyone around him better. We have two ILB starters that neither one played a full year. Trevathan has missed 11 games in two years, so I think it was definitely a need position after pass rush and OL. I think it was about having an impact if the first few years, and Mike McG will be a starter for a long time, but will never impact the OL like a Nelson would have. They made the best choice to make the team better.

When I say BPA, none of the QBs were worthy of a top 10 pick. They were all over drafted and that will prove out. If Barkley was there, I wouldnt have liked it but he would be a upgrade over Howard. I suspect if he was there, they would have got a kings ransom to trade back, so they wouldnt have ended up with him anyways. I think McGlinchey ends up being a good starter, but I do not see many pro bowls in his future, so even though it would have be a upgrade over Massie, he was not a good value at 8. The problem in this years draft is Nelson was the only one worthy of a top 10 pick. Someone along the way will play above his picked spot and be real good on the OL, but I do not think McG would be one of them.

That is true, but if you were a GM,. you would try to get a player that fits what your doing and put him in the best place to succeed. There are so many variables involved in the process of having a draftee be successful its very difficult, that is why the NFL scouts and GMs are only 50/50.

His weight at the combine was 236, I think sometimes when they list weights it comes from their college bios.

Who on the roster may step forward to make the position less of a need. S- Deon Bush and D. Hall are both in need of taking a step forward to help secure a roster spot improve the position. Amos also needs to keep getting better, or this will be a position we have to address next year. NT- They will lock up Goldman, they have enough money left to offer a long term contract. Jenkins is only 28 so depth will never be a problem. They brought in Nichols and Anderson after the draft, so those are 2 that have some potential to get better. Probably no needs here at all. CB- Tolliver and Joseph both were projected as later round picks and have some upside. Mincey may develop into at least a good depth player. He has some upside. I suspect they draft Princes replacement next year. OLB- We dont know what we have in Kitts and Lynch and if Floyd can stay healthy all year.Nick K also will see time outside, so we will have to see if that move is favorable or not. We will need to address the position every year until we find enough talent to make it a strength. OT- This is the position we definitely have to address. We complain because they did not address it but if they did not have a player rated high enough to pick, just drafting a guy is kinda of dumb. We always look at need when we look at who we should draft, but if their board has a player significantly higher , that is who they should pick. Reaching for need gets GMs in trouble. I think we need one more swing OT yet , Sowell is just a backup but we still do not know how much an effect HH has on our entire OL. I doubt if Lee or Greene amount to anything but they are on the roster.Lets see what HH can do with our roster.

A problem you would have as a GM is you would draft to need, instead of the best players available. So the way the draft fell, who would you have took? Nelson was gone, the next best OG was Hernandez, or would you have drafted Mike McG? Or took Ripley/because we needed another WR. Landry or Davenport? At 8 that would have been a huge reach.

I think Pace envisions Iggy and Smith both starters in 2 years after we let often injured Trevathan go. Both will be around 6-1 240 and can run like hell.I also think because of their athleticism that they will figure in the pass rush and be successful at it. I think Smith has 4 this year.

We will have one post each year we list at the top and just put in who we like and who we do not like. We can use the Bears as the example. Like for this year I think R Smith has the best upside, and a lot liked Edmunds better, well three years later is the best to look at it and by then we get bored with it. So here is 5 players I think we suceed big in the league and 5 that will be busts from this years draft. Now someone can become a starter but not be special and consider that a bust type of player. 5 I like ; I was all over Smith before and suspect he will be have several pro bowls and will be the leader of the defense. I have to go with Miller, not just because we drafted him but he has the makeup and work ethic to succeed at this level in a special way. I think Connor Williams ends up having some pro bowl years at guard. I think Quentin Nelson is an all pro from day one. A no brainer everybody would be on board with, but would have like the Bears to have got him. I think Isaiah Oliver ends up being one of better CBs in this years draft. 5 that will bust: None of the 5 first QBs in this draft will be special, a few will start but will be more of a Cousins type that can have some moments but is not elite. Hernandez got lots of acclaim but will become a starter but not be an elite type of OG. I would say a Rickie Incognito type of career, good but not great. I think Davenport will become a starter but not be a top 10 edge rusher. It always seems to me that physical freaks lose more than they become good. Josh Jackson will be a good CB but not consider elite for CBs. Orlando Brown was taken in the 3rd round and I predict will bust in the league, have a hard time staying with a team. No desire.

Here is a good article on fixing that weakness. https://sportsmockery.com/2018/05/five-ways-chicago-can-fix-their-edge-rusher-problem/ I do not think we are in as bad as shape as it may look. We finished 7th in the league last year with Floyd hurt most of the year. McPhee beat up, Young on the DL. We have more production coming from Floyd this year.10-12 ? Aaron Lynch will make some kind of contribution 4-6? Kwiat is going to backup outside and I see him contributing 3-4. R. Smith will be figured in the pass rushing aspect 3-4. Patrick Willis first year with Fangio stats. 174 tks and 4 sacks, he had a high of 6 sacks in his third year. I think Witts if healthy can has some contribution 3-4. Goldman and Hicks will have a contribution 6-8 Bullard and RHH will make a contribution in breakout seasons 4-6. We will be just fine.

The unknown here is, does Nagy upgrade the play of White? I do not think they can count on him, but he is still a blue chip prospect that got robbed of development because of injuries. It is still possible he could be something. We have the right coaching staff in place to make that happen. Just think if he becomes 90% of what he was suppose to be, we will have the best WRs in the league, or at least top 5. The best trait for Miller I like is his desire to get the ball, he will dog fight to get that ball. I feel he may end up being one of the best WRs in the league and when they talk about a trade up, he may have been the WR we were trading up for. It is obvious to see we wanted him very bad.

If Nall is a good blocker, I can see us replacing Burton with a more usable player in our offense. I think Anderson , Joseph, and Oliver all have a chance of making the practice squad. Maybe Rotimi

I as everyone else complained that in the 4th round when they took the ILB that baffled me they didnt go edge. Armstrong and Sweat went later in the round and I thought those were much better choices. If you look closer at all of their draft profiles, there is very little difference in all three of these players. Armstrong is slower, Sweat lacks some of the burst, production for one year for both were better, but overall, not a whole lot of difference in all three and Fitts they got in round 6. I would say they did not rate the value at that spot in the draft much better and thought they could get Fitts later. Of course Fitts has durablity concerns but the others are not far behind in areas of health. If Fitts stays healthy he may have similar careers at a better value. A lot of ifs will all, but they may have choose wisely and we just do not know what the value of Joel I. will have. Time will tell.