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Everything posted by Stinger226
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I agree with you, this is bumby but developing CW is the key to the future. With whoever you want to blame for the rough start, CW is the key to the mistakes and will be the key to future wins. As much as the OL has played bad, the Panthers has 3 first round picks on the OL and they are a bad team. However a GM wants to build a winner, its about the complete picture not the individual position groups.
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I heard an interesting stat, the underdogs are winning 72% of the time. Now Im sure its against the spread but is a high percentage for any football stat. So upsets can happen at anytime.
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Never seen that thanks
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Poles goes after what he wants, traded up for Stevenson last year. Draft Buzz has 4 OL projected to be 1st round picks and none are top 20. Lists 6 in the second round. DL in the 1st and 2 OL in the second could work out perfect as far as value. KC has 2 OL lineman hitting free agency and one is Humphrey .(OC) KC has a lot of big contracts so paying Humphrey will be difficult. We can.
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The reason all of our weapons are not going off is because our QB is not up to speed yet. I think we see Poles vision the last half the season , and our offense will take off based on CWs growth. If you're building a team , I dont think you trade assets in the year you expect to start winning in, let's trade players. Herbert will see playing time as Johnson and Swift get dinged up. We are a couple lineman away from having a strong team. Being in a tough division will be difficult but look at last year's game, all were one score games except the first game with GB. We can compete in this divion. I think if we go 3-3 this year will show how good we can be. We have a 7 game winning streak at home. Soon to be 8 but the next week we are in London but is listed as a home game. Jacksonville isnt very good but who knows how the traveling affects our play. After the bye (4-2) it will be a big game on the road with Washington. That game will give us something to measure by. Daniels is playing well but lets see how he plays as teams adjust to him.
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I get the desire to get something for a player that wont be here next year, I just dont think Poles is thinking that way.
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This should be a 41-19 game but it probably wont. They won a game and only lost by 10 to Cincy. They have a good OL, can run the ball and Dalton is not terrible. they have only 1 TO in the last 2 games. So if we win , even by 3 points, lots of people will be saying what a terrible team we have. I dont care if we win 17-16, with a rookie QB and if he has a couple TOs, it could be close.
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I see what you see but there are only a few OTs in the league that always have clean tape. If you look at all 22 on an average OT, do other fans say the same thing? If you compare him to Treat Williams he will always look like a failure but compare him to Brenard Raimann from the Colts and look at the results.
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There is always a price thar would trigger Poles to trade a player but past trades show you get less than expected. Players like Sweat will always get a high pick but marginal players go for much less. On a team ascending, is Herbert more vaulable as depth or a 6th round pick next year? I expect Adams will be trades but a 4th round pick is probably what they get. Allen fetched a 4th round pick. Allen has a history of injury issues which lowered his price, age also comes into play. The rumors are always sport writers looking for a story, there are only a few that carry vaulable predictions. Rapport comes to mine. Poles needs to win this year and having Allen helps bring along the developement of CW, that wont happen.
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I understand these type of dicussions on trading players when they arent playing but if your an ascending team why would you trade quality depth? No one is giving high draft picks for a backup RB. Allen was traded for a 4th round pick( an allstar WR). Fields was traded for a (now status) 4th round pick. You be lucky to get a 6th round pick for him. Herbert has good tape but also an injury issue. He missed 9 games in his last 2 seasons, and doesnt pass block very well. Homer is currently injured and Ian Wheeler is out for the year with a knee. RBs get injured a lot . THEY ARE NOT TRADING HIM
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Does anyone have a PFF sub.? What I could find was he's currently ranked 31st OT in the league. Keep in mind there are 64 starters current with many getting other snaps. He has a 70 pass blocking grade which is above average. I have notice several plays that he lost the battle but overall is gradig out well. I dont use PFF as a bible but it does give you sometyhing for comparision.
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Poles actions is all pointing to 25 and 26 to make a run. Now if we win this year its just a bonus.
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I never said he was better than CW just the fact he was high in the draft because of his great yr. The committee doesnt care if he hit his first read or not, just that he was successful. As you brought up great stats dont always give you the best measuring stick. Experts are just labels people put on content creators. Some are smart and some arent, its based on our views on a particular subject. They just give their opinions just like we do but they inject their experiences into theirs that we dont have. We like or dislike a creator because it more aligns with our opinion.
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I think its to early to make judgements on whether Waldron is good or not. As Adam said each quarter needs to be improved. We are 2-2 and the best projections were us 3-1 at this time. I think we are right on track for a winning season and lots of fans are just overrreacting to a slow start. Waldron has been a OC before and had imited success but had the experience. I think a better choice than someone that has never did it before.
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Daniels was the best QB in college last yr statlisticly. and its a reality both could be great QBs. Daniels is limited on the playbook as CW has been given the whole playbook to develop him quicker. Bagent looked good in a limited role last yr because it was limited in what they asked of him. I think Poles drafted the best QB but we have limited games to judge him. After 10 games may be a better time to judge.
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Kiwan, if not coming off an injury, would have went in the second round. He has a high ceiling potential. He drafted him in the 3rd round because of valve. He has a starter at LT so letting him sit and learn his first yr makes sense. He hasnt played yet because of his injury recovery. I would say with Jenkins injury history, he will get starter snaps. Every team is different , to say these later picks are starting as later picks might be because of injuries not necessarily because they earned it, Its a little premature to say he's a wasted pick. As far as drafting a OC not one of those mentioned were OCs. Only one later center is starting right now and that is because of injury, B Limmer of who we just played against. He had 2 starting OGs in Jenkins and Davis and brought in Bates and Shelton before the draft. Now in hindsight, Davis sucks, Shelton is not very good and Bates is injuried. Going in the draft, we needed more bodies at OT, so he drafted a OT. All of that made sense at the time but now is in question because of the results of the players he brought in. Scott isnt seeing time because he is the backup to Rome and DJ and those 2 are much more valuable as starters. Carter as got snaps bevause he is the backup to Allen. I suspect because of schems Everett has gotten more snaps because of schemes. Havent said that you would think Scott would have gotten limited snaps at this time. Because of our running game being bad up to this game, more snaps have had a FB in place. It just may be a scheme related reason. Everett was an inexpensive backup with a history of being productive, that wasnt a bad signing even if he has limited snaps.
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Yes of course trade him to upgrade the OL room but what teams let starter quality OL go during the season? Bad teams with over paid OL might be the case but why trade for a RB that probably becomes a FA at the end of the season when you're having a bad season?
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I think most coaches are like that. I think he is a good coach and we will see that as we become a winning team. If we dont become a winning team then it will answer a lot of questions.