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I think Daniels might be drafted ahead of the other 2, or at least right behind them in the draft. Scouts and GMs do complete evaluations and they get it wrong 2 out of 3 times. i dont care who is QBing the Bears next yr as long as Poles made the right choice.

I honestly have one question before you go, if Poles brings Fields back , would you quit being a Bears fan?

You were in the music field, that's awesome. When I was growing up, I always wanted to be a rock and roll star. I learned to play the guitar and piano. Actually played once with Robin Zanders from Cheap Trick at a birthday party. . he lived in my neighborhood and was a yr behind me in school ,. needless to say I sucked but it didnt stop me from loving music. He went on to be a known star.

The fact you want to fight over something 3 yrs old says everything about you. That's insane. We dont have to like each other to have opinions but every time i say something you think its a personal attack on you, just not true. You are so invested in wanting Fields gone you get upset when someone disagrees with you. There is 2 sides to this argument whether you think its so simple to get rid of him or not. Griz is never malicious in any of his comments , yet he's trolling you? Personally i would rather have you stay, you have absolutely affected my opinion on keeping Fields. I was totally committed and now I'm wavering big time. You have to understand disagreeing with you is not a personal attack. I'm not trying to jack with you. Poles is going to do what Poles is going to do w/o our perspective. No matter how overwhelming it looks like Fields is gone, there are examples that GMs made decisions to stay with a player instead of change. There is no right or wrong opinion, they're just opinions. I have no problem with you thinking Im an asshole, you/re not the first person to ever think that. This whole thing started when I mentioned your name about not liking a video because he praised Fields. I cant figure out how you thought that was a personal attack on you? If you hold some grudge from something I said 3 yrs ago , the only I can say is its not worth losing your valued opinion on here. If there was a poll , everyone would vote for you to stay and that includes me. People dont have to like each other to have civil conversations on Bears subjects.

Houston hasn't been good this year, .05 sack, 9 Ts, 3 QB hits, 2 TFL. A young guy hungry for a job will probably be better.

Of course because they have shown growth, it comes down to which QB to draft? People with their job on the line screw up , I trust Poles but have no idea who he likes or maybe none of them he views as elite. It's probably more to do with luck than evaluating who will be elite. I'm sure no one thought Brady was who he would be, or how good Prescott, Hurts, Wilson or even Purdy would be. ( good not elite yet). Watson was great but I don't think he is now. That just shows you how tough it is to be good for a career.

I probably shouldn't say this but after last weekend, my thoughts were to move on from Fields. Then I listened to 10 videos and interviewed by former players and they all were backing Fields, now Im confused again. None of their opinions will affect whether we move on from Fields or not but Poles was a former player , does he think like them?

Cool, I guess no one can mention Fields without it being injected with an opinion.

Other than addressing the QB position, we need a starting center, more depth at OT and OG, if not even to compete for the starter job. At least one edge rusher, 3 T, and a replacement for EJAC, more weapons. I think he could ask him to redo his contract before he cut him. He isnt great anymore but cutting him creates another hole unless he has the man to replace him. I figure we could get 2 positions filled in free agency because they wont cost a lot, center and safety. I think he signs one big contract this offseason, is that JJ? Maybe the 3T spot because Dexter is progressing but isnt there yet. J Jones is actually playing well right now, will he just bring him back? 44 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 9 TFL, 15 QB hits, 4 PDs 11 pressures. The first 2 picks will be a QB? a edge- yes, LT- maybe, 3 T maybe Is this an opinion? or is it accurate and be both.

How is saying we have to have one of the first 2 picks a personal opinion? How is saying other things will come into play , no where do I say we should draft Fields but I suppose saying he is a team leader projects that. I did listen to 4 players that absolutely say that so I did that with some context. As i reread it, I can see where my opinion shows thru.. I thought I hid that well but you got me. My point I was trying to make is other things will come into play before you ever get to the choice of ye or ne on Justin.

The draft order absolutely will help decide what Poles does. Every year people talk up QBs in the draft . In the last 5 yrs, only Burrow and Allen are a first round pick that you can call elite. Herbert, Tua, Lawrence, Murray, and Stroud will probably get there but I dont think one yr or QBs that arent winning can be considered just yet. Herbert seems great but he cant lift a team with good talent to win. Same reason people slam Fields. Tua has had a couple great yrs and is winning now, but just got a great coach, something we dont have here. 5 yrs 2 elite QBS taken in the first round with a few more close. Stroud looks good but you cant base elite on one yr. Murray is a big question mark, and Lawrence should be doing better than he has. So everyone saying you have to draft a QB high, the numbers dont agree with you and none of this matters. If Poles likes someone he will draft him, if he doesnt he will not just draft a lower QB for sake of change. Lance, Young, Wilson, D Jones, Haskins, Pickett, Ridder, the NFL is littered with fails. The next 3 games is not going to affect his opinion towards Justin, he already knows what he is going to do. I dont think he planned to fire his coach after 2 yrs and blow everything up to start over again. His plan was a 4 yr to respectability, So if we dont get pick 1 or 2, his priority will shift. I suspect he goes into keep rebuilding the roster , trade his fist pick and fill needs. Im sure he could get several draft picks for the right to pick MHJ, or keep it and just do the right thing and take him then trade the other pick.

Flus is not a great coach, roster isn't complete yet, so I'm not sure what path Poles follows.

The for and against Fields conversation will go on until the draft but several things come into play. 1st we have to have the number 1 pick.. I think its Caleb Williams or Justin Fields. If Poles thinks Williams is the guy, he will take him. If we end up with the second or third pick that is out of the picture. Maye does not carry the clout that Williams does. Truth be told, both have been questioned about being great as we get closer to the draft. The third pick is probably the best player in the draft MHJ, if he is there, he will take him. So now the conversation, is there a QB prospect that has more upside than the upside of Fields? The draft will bring more light to that issue. Others things Poles has to think about, Fields is a hard worker, born leader, and the team is totally behind him. So not only will Poles have to sell a new QB to the fan base but also to the players in the locker room. He more so has to make a determination, if he keeps Flus or not that will add to the keep Justin or not. If Flus stays I think he is more likely to keep Fields around, if he changes he more likely bring in a new QB. This is very complicated , its not just keep or dumb Fields. I keep hearing people say because we have the top pick 2 yrs in a row, we have to take a QB. That is ridiculous. The top 4 teams in the National conference has a 7th round QB, 2nd round, 4th round and a first round that got traded because his team didnt think he was good enough. Out of the last 10 SB winning QBs only Peyton and Stafford were ist pick in the draft that won SBs and Stafford did it with his original team. The most constant traits with SB teams is a great coach and talented roster. OB matters but appears not to be the most important factor. Change my mind?

I think the key to all of these mock drafts is everyone is addressing the OL and DL, still getting MHJ and a QB prospect. I think that is exactly what will happen. Their big board always has Zak Zinter going late and no way he lasts that long. I have never had JPJ last that late either in mine.

Here is the last 11 yrs of SB QBs. I would say Flacco, Wilson, Foles, and Stafford are not elite QBs. 7 were won by all time elite QBs that had great coaches and talented rosters. Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco (MVP), 3TDs Super Bowl 48: Russell Wilson (Malcolm Smith), 2TDs Super Bowl 49: Tom Brady (MVP), 4TDs Super Bowl 50: Peyton Manning (Von Miller), 0TDs Super Bowl 51: Tom Brady (MVP), 2TDs Super Bowl 52: Nick Foles (MVP), 3 TDs Super Bowl 53: Tom Brady (Julian Edelman), 0TDs Super Bowl 54: Patrick Mahomes (MVP), 2 TDs Super Bowl 55: Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs Super Bowl 56: Matthew Stafford (Cooper Kupp), 3 TDs Super Bowl 57: Patrick Mahomes (MVP), 3 TDs

3. Marvin Harrison Jr. WR Ohio State 7. Jer'Zhan Newton DT Illinois 17. Laiatu Latu EDGE UCLA 36. Michael Penix Jr. QB Washington 67. Rod Moore S Michigan 68. Jackson Powers-Johnson OC Oregon 69. Ja'Tavion Sanders TE Texas 72. Kiran Amegadjie OT Yale 134. Christian Mahogany OG Boston College 2025 ARI 1st 2025 NYJ 2nd

You always do a lot of work with stats, I have to let you know I appreciate the effort. That's not a simple task.

With all the good and bad, 8 wins would be a big improvement. More over many players are developing in front of our eyes. 2024 will have expectations of a run at the playoffs.

Mooney is a big disappointment but , if Fields stays , I tink think he may come back on a cheap deal. We can't ignore his 1000 yards season like he's not capable of being a good WR. He has a history with Fields. Was it you that brought up his injury? It definitely is either still a problem or made him worse.

More reason to try to get MHJ. If you add him the rest of the room doesnt matter. DJ, MHJ, Scott, fill in the blanks.

We just need to win out and let the dominos fall where they may. Playoffs were never an expectation before the season started

Anyone listening to Dave Wannstedt on the SCORE this morning. He was very funny. Haugh was trying to stress the point that you cant go 2 yrs in a row with the #1 pick and not draft a QB. Dave's respond was no one wins a SB by winning the press conference.

So many aspects go into being an elite QB in this league. Just look at all them drafted since Mahomes came into the league only a handful are considered elite. He has shown flashes but attitude matters. He was a #1 pick in the draft, be careful what you wish for. Williams numbers are great but his intangibles are questionable. Every move Poles makes has risk, I trust him to make the best move for the future of the Bears.

I will grant you everything you stated but do you honestly think a rookie QB is going to respond more consistently? Would a rookie QB get us up 28-14? Fields had good and bad plays in both of those games. He is not an elite QB, I dont think anyone has said that but to assume a rookie QB will automatically be better is misguided. Poles needs to keep building the team, try and find a better QB and align whatever it takes to win games. Play calling also failed in prime situations , its just not one reason for failure. Parker has said it best in another thread about the best approach to the future, sometimes stepping back from the reality of the season gives you a better perspective.