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With the train wreak we just experenced, this season still has 8 games left. We eliminated 2 problems so lets see the effect. We still have a good defense, high level weapons and a potenial franchise QB. This is not the time to give up hope. Flus is showing he is a problem with his hires, he will be gone at year's end. Stromberg has an upside if he can avoid injuries. As AZ said, Bates played well for his first action. Now if we can get back our OTs, our OL can be better. Brown could be an upgrade on simple fact he may focus on run game which limits QB mistakes by a rookie. Waldron gave to much responsiblity to Caleb that clearly didnt have good results. Calm the offense down , control the time and let the defense force Love into some mistakes, we may have a shot.

That is how losers think, I agree . Iast yr we were 2-7, this year 4-5 with 8 games left. The most important function is to develop CW. Last yr with a worsr team we finished 5-3 aganist a schedule that included GB, Detroit-twice Minny. We are not going into next year with a 11 game losing streak. Depending on injuries we still have a shot at going 4-4 which would be more wins that last yr. If CW does actually develop, that is doable. We changed one problem, so lets see what happens.

The only way Flus survives is if he's 6-2, odds of that are near impossible. You have to hope Poles makes the right choice because he's not leaving no matter what the team does this year. If you're your thinking of a Harbaugh type hire, that wont happen but maybe a Gruden, someone that got kicked out of the winners circle for an email.

With our 1st pick, I want them to take a LT, many start in their rookie yr. Move Jones to swing T and move Kiran to LG. We check out Bates for the rest of the yr. Still draft a OC and sit as a backup until he's ready to go. Draft a player than can play all 3 IOL and sign Trey Smith starting right G for KC. KC has cap issues coming and wont be able to bid on him. 3 rookies starting on the line could be a diaster. LT rookie- Jones as backup LG Kiran A.- rookie as back up. OC Bates - rookie as back up- sign Shelton for depth ( he can play all IOL) RG- Trey Smith- rookie as back up- Shelton for depth here RT- Wright- Jones as back up-rookie You have a mix of vets and rookies Kiran in his second should start to show his value and Wright in his 3d yr should dominate.

Poles is only going to get one more hire for HC. He has to win now or his job is on the line, he's not going to make a mediorce choice. That was his first hire and he flunked, he's going to scale up. Poles was new at his job, now he has more insight into what we need.

Of course they will, even thou teams are running on us, other than AZ, the defense isnt giving up a lot of points. I kinda like the track record of Brown , he was in LA and McVay thought enough about him to make him AS HC to not lose him. I think he was there 4 yrs. In Carolina, he became the Panthers play callers the last 6 games. He interviewed for the HC job in Tenn. We may have a diamond in the rough and he might be good at it, future HC?

They havent posted the Wanny interview yet. Here is another that says good and bad about the Bears offense

It was the Score talking to Olin Kreutz and later in the day with Dave Wannsted. Here is a video that explains some of the problems in the game.

We wont know the effect of the change for a few games, but at least they are admitting, its jacked up. From what I hear, part of the problem Waldron was giving to much responsability to Caleb, allowing he to change plays and call line adjustments. You cant give him 4 options every play , he keeps trying to go downfield to much with a bad line. Keys: run the ball-30 times 2 TE sets to help with blocking / RPOs Only give him 2 WR options dump offs to TEs, leave back in to block. Roll outs and designed runs

Does anyone like Gruden as a new HC option?

I think we just need a fresh prespective changing what we do.Morton came from Seattle with Waldron, at least Brown was not in that clan. Morton has never called plays, Brown at least has experience and being from Carolina, knows what doesnt work. I went to look up Browns history and he is not listed on the Bears website listing coaches. We keep talking about everything coaches fault but if players exicute better the play calling would look better. When Caleb misses a WR on a throw, its not the play callers fault. When a OL misses a block, it blows the whole play up. When you run the same play call 10 times in a game, that's a pay caller screw up.

It seems the Hail Mary and chatter after the game forged Flus losing the team. Compound that with bad play calling, injured offensive line, we have bad QB play. I expect to see progressive but where is it coming to change the tide? Obviously the OL getting healthy would help, change of play caller and a simplier game plan for CW. I would say maybe 3 or 4 plays during the game to the deep zone, and the rest on 2.5 second drops, the 3 to 4 second drops have to go. AND RUN THE BALL

I was dumb enough to think we could have won 12 games, the truth is even thou we expected better because of getting a generational type QB, in truth he is a rookie with a learning curve. Everyone knows the OL and DL arent finished yet. Are we one year away from getting results for high expectations? No way we are going on a 11 game losing streak. We need a play caller that commits to runnibg and simply what Caleb has on his plate. The D is a couple players coming back from injury away from being good again.

I dont think Caleb and DJ are on the same page, doubt if its personal, Caleb misses him at a 44% rate. From what I hear, Caleb does a lot of play calling in no huddle and is blowing off runs for passes. He was told to throw to Cole and did 3 times in a row and blow him off the rest of the game. They have given him to much power for a rookie still trying to learn the NFL. I believe tomorrow morning Waldron will be demoted or fired. ( Tom Brown) Flus will turn over DC play calling duties to Williams to address his job better as HC. There is no fix for the OL until people get healthy. Jones- Jenkins?-Shelton-Pryor-Wright is okay. Bates is main backup at all 3 IOL positions. Kiran will be swing T.

Actually the best we have ever had. Ditka did get us a SB but lots of baggage with him. should have won 3 with that team.

If Sweat is fully healthy- dont think he was in last game If Wright and Jones are back- maybe If the players buy into whoever the coach is.

Having been in a depressed state for 40 yrs? minus our SB appearance and 2018. The only way to be sane is to change teams, Im not doing that but it appears many of you are disgusted enough to think about it. I have always kind of liked Denver -like the state-cool uniforms-they have a great coach? I have always admired Pitt, great coach-kind of the mind set similar to Bears. Pick a winner- just be a KC or Philly fan

I think Flus needs to be gone now but not sure they will do that. Trying to fgiure out what is the best choice going forward.

Didnt Finks die? I thought that was why he left?

What I see with Warren is a business man that got brought in to do the stadium and let him gradually take over the managment of the operation. Right now he is Poles sounding board. They are talking today about what to do. We will find out how much power Warrten has. I think the players have given up on Flus, which means you have to get rid of Waldron and Flus and at least show the players you see what they do but that means they have some accountablity here to. Hoke as head coach Brown to OC Williams to DC. This is not getting us a winning season but at least the regime has noticed. Next yr Poles gets a HC, probably Kingsbury because Caleb knows him and would be the easiest transition. Drafts a LT with the first pick and move Brandon Jones to swing tackle. Draft a OC in 2nd round and have Shelton be the transition player. Move Kiran A. to LG , let Jenkins leave (injury concerns) Bates at RG and draft his replacement to give us good depth. Wright at RT with Jones the swing T.

I agree what needs to be done, but how do we fix everything at week 10. Tell me what to do that helps us win now? Fiire them and then when the new guys fail, fire them? We cant fix this until after the season but a disgruntled fanbase will be happy for one week.

The results are the same, but its not the same, its new people. Warren and Poles run the team now. If burning the ship every 2-3 yrs is what you want, we will never have a winner. Poles made a bad decision staying with Flus. You have to discount yr 1 because Poles did burn the house down. Say yr 2 is the start. They went 5-3 in the last 8 games and acquired the 1st pick in the draft. At that point Poles decided to keep Flus because things were pointing up. It has not tuned out well but hindsight is always a mute point. I think we have to give Poles one more yr, hiring a new person for GM, we will go threw the same thing again to rebuild. He will see now that was a mistake and change it. Next year will be D day for Poles not this yr. I suggest if you think we should burn everything down, find a new team, because the owners will give Poles one more yr for better or worse. Poles said it would take 4-5 yrs to make a winner, not 2 and 1/2.

What is best for the developement of CW, the only thing that really matters ? Waldron gone for sure, firing Flus only pleases the fanbase, but does it help CW? If Flus is gone, who is next that helps CW?

I dont disagree but the only push against that narrative is the new people running things, mainly Poles. He has did many good things but will all be underminded by retaining Flus. We get to see how the yr plays out. He clearly did not address the OL well enough to work. We have added talent and have a (maybe) franchise QB, the most important acquisition (maybe) in our history? The rebuild is 2 and 1/2 yrs old, he is not finished yet. He stated it will take 4-5 yrs to do a complete rebuild. We have never seen that before in our history. This is what it looks like. He addressed the OL but it isnt working. He will get one more yr to finish building the roster. Flus wont be here, does it help CW to get rid of him now? You cant do anything about the OL in season. The fanbase will like it but will it matter? Fire Waldron , make Tom Brown OC, Flus give DC play calling to Williams and be the HC only. I think that iis the best scenario we may have. We dont have a person in the coaching staff that can turn this around.